gwnn Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 97xxxxxAKxAxx 1♣-1♥-x-2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 2S, wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 2S ..., but I would not have opened. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 Yeah FWIW if you are not comfortable bidding 2S on this auction you should not be opening this hand. This hand was a marginal opener at best when you started life, but now you have a 4-4 spade fit and 3 small in their suit (aka no wastage). Controls become more valuable in a suit contract, so AK A is looking really good now. This hand is totally fine, and partner passing out 2H would be a complete disaster since it's likely both 2S and 2H will make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I would not have opened, but I would bid 2♠ now. I think I would never pass on a hand with four spades here, certainly on fewer than 1% of such hands anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I open and I have no problem with 2♠ here. I was a little queasy opening these 4333 AKA hands in the beginning but Ive had a good track record with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 2S, wtp? yep a no brainer. And if it had gone p instead of 2♥ their is a school of thought that you bid 2♠ anyway just like your were raising 1♠ to 2...that leaves 1♠ for all the ugly calls when you have to find a bid with just 3♠ in your hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I open and I have no problem with 2♠ here. I was a little queasy opening these 4333 AKA hands in the beginning but Ive had a good track record with them. Agreed with 2♠ WTP. I also open since the 4333 hand has the K with one of the A's. If PD passes instead of opening I won't say a word, but if PD doesn't bid 2♠ here I won't be happy, noting that I play that a neg X shows 4♠ here so that 1♠ shows 5+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 13, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 edit: never mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeavyDluxe Posted October 13, 2009 Report Share Posted October 13, 2009 I don't open this hand. Flat shape, and what power I have is in short minors. However, having opened, I bid 2♠. Other, more authoritative voices have said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'd open because I like AKA too much. And now an easy 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaur Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Sorry if I am hijacking. This reminds me of this hand where my partner 'denied' 4 spades in the bidding and I got confused on defense[hv=d=n&v=e&s=s5432hkjdqckjt982]133|100|Scoring: MPp - p - 1♣ - 1♥X*-2♥ - all pass* shows exactly 4 spades[/hv]If you were subbed in to bid after 2♥ would you bid 2♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Sorry if I am hijacking. This reminds me of this hand where my partner 'denied' 4 spades in the bidding and I got confused on defense[hv=d=n&v=e&s=s5432hkjdqckjt982]133|100|Scoring: MPp - p - 1♣ - 1♥X*-2♥ - all pass* shows exactly 4 spades[/hv]If you were subbed in to bid after 2♥ would you bid 2♠? yes obv. wasnt the reason i opened 1♣ so that i could play in either spades or clubs at a low level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Sorry if I am hijacking. This reminds me of this hand where my partner 'denied' 4 spades in the bidding and I got confused on defense[hv=d=n&v=e&s=s5432hkjdqckjt982]133|100|Scoring: MPp - p - 1♣ - 1♥X*-2♥ - all pass* shows exactly 4 spades[/hv]If you were subbed in to bid after 2♥ would you bid 2♠? Sure. I prefer 3C to 1C, but that is just me, and since I subbed afterthe opening bid occurred, 1C stands, and now 2S. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 I'd have opened this hand in my regular partnerships - that's our style.Obvious 2♠ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 You are thinking about it wrong if you have a shapely min with 4 spades and pass, or a good looking balanced min with 4 spades and pass. Once you open, you must bid your hand like you have a full opener. Sorry for the spam but people who make the mistake of passing 2H on this auction should read this: Blog post The only reason you might even consider not bidding 2S here is if you have very strong hearts with lots of wastage. If you chose to pass 2H with xxxx KQJ9 Qx KJx I would not blame you. But honestly the rule "always bid 2S with 4 spades in this auction" would be fine too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Once you open, you must bid your hand like you have a full opener. Sorry for the spam but people who make the mistake of passing 2H on this auction should read this: Blog post how about Indian bidding? I think you wrote about that a while ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Once you open, you must bid your hand like you have a full opener. Sorry for the spam but people who make the mistake of passing 2H on this auction should read this: Blog post how about Indian bidding? I think you wrote about that a while ago Indian bidding is not logically inconsistent, it is re-evaluating your hand and the likelihood that your partner has a fitting hand given new information (ie the opps bidding). That's why I said you might pass 2H with lots of heart wastage and 4 spades, you are re-evaluating your hand given new information. It does not make sense to pass 2H here with xxx heart and prime values or a stiff heart and 4-6 becuase you have a minimum opener. Your hand has not re-evaluated downwards, it's re-evaluated upwards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 <snip>Indian bidding? <snip> Can someone explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 Clear 2♠. That said, I would find it kind of funny to argue for a support double with this hand. I have a strong defense-to-offense ratio, IMO, with AK-A and nothing else on the outside, which is a greater quick-trick count than minimum and a lower LTC than expected (9 losers). So, arguably a support double has something going for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjbrr Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 <snip>Indian bidding? <snip> Can someone explain? Mostly a joke. Refers to aggressive/imaginative bidding that often distorts the strength of the hand but keeps the opponents completely in the dark about what is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 14, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 if I could search through jlall's posts I could find the exact sequence but I think it was a game bid after partner's competitive bid despite us ostensibly limiting our hand before (because we meanwhile found out that our honor placement is better than we expected). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 <snip>Indian bidding? <snip> Can someone explain? He is Indian so he can say what he wants. Like the Seinfeld where Jerry's dentist Dr. Whatley converts to Judaism just for the jokes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 14, 2009 Report Share Posted October 14, 2009 <snip>Indian bidding? <snip> Can someone explain? He is Indian so he can say what he wants. Like the Seinfeld where Jerry's dentist Dr. Whatley converts to Judaism just for the jokes. Whatver you're just an anti-dentite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1eyedjack Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 You are thinking about it wrong if you have a shapely min with 4 spades and pass, or a good looking balanced min with 4 spades and pass. Once you open, you must bid your hand like you have a full opener. Sorry for the spam but people who make the mistake of passing 2H on this auction should read this: Blog post The only reason you might even consider not bidding 2S here is if you have very strong hearts with lots of wastage. If you chose to pass 2H with xxxx KQJ9 Qx KJx I would not blame you. But honestly the rule "always bid 2S with 4 spades in this auction" would be fine too. Re suit symbols, am I unique in seeing this when I view jlall's post?http://www.keepandshare.com/doc/view.php?id=1458309&da=y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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