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Playing 2 OVER 1 in a local tournament, I had a few problems.

 

Bd1. Both vul, sitting south, you are dealt with

S: T92

H: AQJ54

D: KJT98

C: ---

 

W N E S

- - - 1H

P 2S* - ?

2S shows a game forcing raise. What do you bid now? Should we emphasize our side suit by 3D or show our shortage by 4C?

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The side suit is more important, and if you are going to bother to play 2S (good idea) as a forcing raise, I'd some up with some definitions of what the follow-ups are. Also, its important to discuss what different bids mean if they interfere.
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The side suit is more important, and if you are going to bother to play 2S (good idea) as a forcing raise, I'd some up with some definitions of what the follow-ups are. Also, its important to discuss what different bids mean if they interfere.

Too those that play this method, I ask how much is gained by using 2 rather than 2NT as the forcing raise over 1?

 

To me, all that is saved is that now opener can rebid 2NT to show something.

 

Is that worth the risk of the opp doubling 2 either for lead or to steer partner into a cheap 4 sac that might not be found since you wouldn't bid over 2NT?

( I do realize that some of the hands that sac 4 might have been overcalled 1)

 

Is it worth the loss of 2 as a WJS or SJS?

 

My personal opinion is that all this is way too much to give up and I just play J2NT, but I am asking so I can learn.

 

.. neilkaz ..who doesn't want to make it easier for opps to interfere in when his side has

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The side suit is more important, and if you are going to bother to play 2S (good idea) as a forcing raise, I'd some up with some definitions of what the follow-ups are. Also, its important to discuss what different bids mean if they interfere.

Too those that play this method, I ask how much is gained by using 2 rather than 2NT as the forcing raise over 1?

 

To me, all that is saved is that now opener can rebid 2NT to show something.

 

Is that worth the risk of the opp doubling 2 either for lead or to steer partner into a cheap 4 sac that might not be found since you wouldn't bid over 2NT?

( I do realize that some of the hands that sac 4 might have been overcalled 1)

 

Is it worth the loss of 2 as a WJS or SJS?

 

My personal opinion is that all this is way too much to give up and I just play J2NT, but I am asking so I can learn.

 

.. neilkaz ..who doesn't want to make it easier for opps to interfere in when his side has

To me, having 2N as natural balanced game forcing is good enough. As for giving up 2S showing a strong hand, it is relatively a small loss.

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Is that worth the risk of the opp doubling 2 either for lead or to steer partner into a cheap 4 sac that might not be found since you wouldn't bid over 2NT?

( I do realize that some of the hands that sac 4 might have been overcalled 1)

Its not a small deal, mostly because on paper, 4th chair can double 2. In practice, if RHO has spades they are usually bid which is a better weapon against an artificial raise since it usually takes the opener out of singleton showing situation and into natural bidding.

 

1 - 3 is less of a problem.

 

If you play some sort of 1 minor 2 major as artificial, this becomes a bigger issue, since frequently you are talking about a dangerous lead against 3N.

 

The loss of a WJS 2 is not a loss.

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If you don't play 2 as spades of some strength, how do you cope with all of your spade one-suiters after, say, 1-1;2?

2 weak, 3 invitational, 3 then 3 game forcing? Of course it's not perfect but there isn't an inherent problem since all hand types are covered. While it's not what I would play with myself necessarily, it's what I have played on over 99% of the bridge hands of my life.

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Ive started playing 1H 2S invitational and really like it fwiw.

 

On the other hand I think that playing 1M 2N as natural and forcing is completely awful since starting with 2C is way better (opener gets 3 bids in below 3N always) and more logical. I mean you lose in that 2C no longer shows a 5 card suit, whatever.

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Agree with everything Justin has said:

 

1. I also play 1-P-2 as invitational and like it.

 

2. I also hate 2NT as a balanced force because 2 works better for the reasons he stated.

 

3. I also find it silly to play that 2 is a forcing heart raise without a structure as to what happens next.

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