kgr Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&s=s98hxdkjt9xxxcjxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv](2NT)-Pass-(3D)-??Opps open 2NT 20-21 and transfer to ♥. Pass, DBL, 4♦, 5♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 4D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Double. 4♦ only does any good if RHO was about to make a slam try. If it's a game hand, bidding 4♦ isn't going to stop them finding their heart fit - if they have an 8-card fit, one of them already knows about it. 4♦ just gives them a chance to take a penalty if they think that's right, and tells them how to play 4♥ if that's what they decide to do. Double, apart from being safe, may talk them out of a making 3NT - they don't know that I have no entry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 2 different answers. So I guess they both have their merits. (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight :) )Note that opps are not world class. They are only a little better then I.That was one of the reasons that I did bid 4♦.(2NT)-pass-(3♦)-4♦(DBL)-pass-(5♣)-Pass(6♣)-Pass-(6♥)-All Pass with screens:DBL=Penalty (explained by DBLer); ♥-fit and control ♦ (explained by 3♦ bidder)5♣=control (explained by 5♣ Dbler); to play (explained at other side).What do you lead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 Have I heard both player's explanations? That would be unusual when using screens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight :) ) My answer has more weight than Justin's because it's longer. Unfortunately, however, I can't think of any other reason for you to believe me rather than him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight :) ) My answer has more weight than Justin's because it's longer. Unfortunately, however, I can't think of any other reason for you to believe me rather than him. Maybe you are right. It could indicate that you thought longer about it....not sure that compensates enough :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight :) ) My answer has more weight than Justin's because it's longer. Unfortunately, however, I can't think of any other reason for you to believe me rather than him. The weight of logic takes precendence :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 4♦ only does any good if RHO was about to make a slam try. You don't think you ever have a good 5D save? I think that's my main reason for bidding 4D, even more so than messing them up if they have a slam but they are both pretty close. Otherwise I pretty much agree with gnasher on the upsides/downsides exactly. I'm not worried about going for 1100, so the biggest downside is when this is a phantom against a game which is possible but not thattt likely and I will often get out for 300 then. The other big downside is if I help them play it correctly in a significant manner, but double will sometimes do that anyways. I guess I really like the idea of denying RHO the chance to bid 3D then 3S (whatever that is), or especially 3D then 4C, and I really like the idea of partner raising me to 5D and us putting them to a 5 level decision that they possibly cannot solve anyways (we might just be going for 300 and they can't make at the 5 level). It seems worth it since I don't think either of the big downsides is that likely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 2 different answers. So I guess they both have their merits. (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight :) )Note that opps are not world class. They are only a little better then I.That was one of the reasons that I did bid 4♦.(2NT)-pass-(3♦)-4♦(DBL)-pass-(5♣)-Pass(6♣)-Pass-(6♥)-All Pass with screens:DBL=Penalty (explained by DBLer); ♥-fit and control ♦ (explained by 3♦ bidder)5♣=control (explained by 5♣ Dbler); to play (explained at other side).What do you lead? I would lead a spade. What else? A diamond lead seems to accomplish nothing and might well give them a finesse when RHO is void and LHO has AQ. A spade might set up trick if partner has the SK + something or the AQ of spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 2 different answers. So I guess they both have their merits. (Not sure if gnasher plays at the same level as jlall and that his answer has the same weight :) )Note that opps are not world class. They are only a little better then I.That was one of the reasons that I did bid 4♦.(2NT)-pass-(3♦)-4♦(DBL)-pass-(5♣)-Pass(6♣)-Pass-(6♥)-All Pass with screens:DBL=Penalty (explained by DBLer); ♥-fit and control ♦ (explained by 3♦ bidder)5♣=control (explained by 5♣ Dbler); to play (explained at other side).What do you lead? I would lead a spade. What else? A diamond lead seems to accomplish nothing and might well give them a finesse when RHO is void and LHO has AQ. A spade might set up trick if partner has the SK + something or the AQ of spades. yep you are kind of strapped in to a ♠ lead :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=e&n=skjxxxxhtxxxdxcqt&w=saqxhaxdaqxcaxxxx&e=sxxhkqjxxxdxxckxx&s=s98hxdkjt9xxxcjxx]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]Thanks for answers!I was squeezed in the minors. East played ♠Q and took the ♠ return with his partners A.Then he played all his trumps and I was squeezed in the minors.I don't think that there is a way to mislead East by hiding a ♦?Can East play differently and go down without me bidding 4♦? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 11, 2009 Report Share Posted October 11, 2009 If you don't bid 4♦ West is declarer and you can't beat it. Another reason to bid I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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