Cascade Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=s83haj85d1076caj86]133|100|Scoring: IMP(PASS) PASS (1♦) 1♠(PASS) ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant590 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I would pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 1NT for me. I won't pass and it's the bid that bothers me the least since it gives us a chance at every strain if it's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 prefer 1nt. I got an awfully nice hand given I am a passed hand. Switch my h and spades and I would have opened one club. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Yup 1NT. I'm not as keen on these stopperless 1NT bids as some people seem to be but there isn't really a decent alternative here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 1NT here...we may miss a game if we pass and PD is max. PD can check for a ♦ stop later if he is max, and considering 3nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 1NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 1NT, but I suspect there is a twist, since Wayne is the poster. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Depends who I'm playing with, clear pass with one partner who will never have a decent hand for a simple overcall, 2♣ with the other who will WJO with a bad hand so will have a better hand than mine for the overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Depends who I'm playing with, clear pass with one partner who will never have a decent hand for a simple overcall, 2♣ with the other who will WJO with a bad hand so will have a better hand than mine for the overcall. If one spade denies a decent hand, I assume that is an alert bid. What do they bid with a "decent hand" and 5 spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 Depends who I'm playing with, clear pass with one partner who will never have a decent hand for a simple overcall, 2♣ with the other who will WJO with a bad hand so will have a better hand than mine for the overcall. If one spade denies a decent hand, I assume that is an alert bid. What do they bid with a "decent hand" and 5 spades?By a decent hand I mean one that will make game opposite this, up to about 12-13, beyond that will start with a double. I play his system, not my preferred method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Depends who I'm playing with, clear pass with one partner who will never have a decent hand for a simple overcall, 2♣ with the other who will WJO with a bad hand so will have a better hand than mine for the overcall. If one spade denies a decent hand, I assume that is an alert bid. What do they bid with a "decent hand" and 5 spades?By a decent hand I mean one that will make game opposite this, up to about 12-13, beyond that will start with a double. I play his system, not my preferred method.nice system. I don't mind playing against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 1N. Sometimes your stuck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 1NT, but I suspect there is a twist, since Wayne is the poster. :) eh? No twist except the rest of the auction. I thought this was the first juncture in which the table action was questionable. At the table the player with these cards passed. The auction then developed: (PASS) PASS (1♦) 1♠(PASS) PASS (2♦) 2♠(PASS) ? How much catching up do you have to do now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 1NT, but I suspect there is a twist, since Wayne is the poster. :) eh? No twist except the rest of the auction. I thought this was the first juncture in which the table action was questionable. At the table the player with these cards passed. The auction then developed: (PASS) PASS (1♦) 1♠(PASS) PASS (2♦) 2♠(PASS) ? How much catching up do you have to do now? looks like an easy 4s now. give up on slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 i know you are not the one who passed and created this situation, mr. cacscade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Anything other than 1N the first time around is terrible. I would bid 3D now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I think that 1 NT is clear cut and that this should be standard with balanced hands even without a stopper. If I had passed for tactical or other reasons, I would try 3 Diamond now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 3♦ now, and I think I've actually got my hand across OK, reasonable hand, no real spade fit, no diamond stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 Really hate our pass over 1♠. Game could easily be on opposite an opening hand, so I would bid 1NT which is the lesser of evils than everything else. I wonder, if I had passed (and partner trusts that I would bid with this type of hand) and the auction proceeds as suggested, does bidding 3♦ say to partner that you forgot to bid on the previous round? Has anyone ever catered to that? Anyway, if I had passed I would now bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 The closest I could get to a hand that would pass and then bid 3♦ is Kx KQxx x xxxxxx. Even that looks like a 2♣ bid on the previous round, though. Some time ago (probably in the 1980s, when most bridge writers were insane) I remember reading a suggestion that you should pass partner's overcall with a reasonable hand, primary support and shortage in an unbid suit. Because opener is likely to be be short enough in the overcalled suit to have to reopen, and the opponents are then likely to bid your shortage, the idea was to use a delayed cue-bid to show shortage in their suit, leading to sequences like: 1♦ 1♠ pass pass dbl pass 2♣ 3♣ pass 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I personally don't see the point of 3♦, am I hoping partner bids 3NT so I can pass it? If I passed first I would simplify things with 4♠ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I personally don't see the point of 3♦, am I hoping partner bids 3NT so I can pass it? If I passed first I would simplify things with 4♠ now. I'm not sure why I need to be so unilateral and why 3♠ does not show this hand. I really don't want to punish partner for just bidding competitively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I will assume it is my attractive avatar that gets me quoted so often even when I am not the first in the thread to voice the same opinion. I further enjoy having debates about positions that I have already made clear I would never find myself in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted October 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2009 While I was far from convinced that PASS was best, I am a bit surprised by the near unanimity of 1NT. Depending on the style of overcalls a 1NT response could easily have two flaws: 1. Insufficient values 2. No stopper This could easily be one flaw too many. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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