matmat Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 ♠J54♥AJ64♦KQT94♣5 third seat, all white, imps. 1♣ - (1♠) - what is your plan?(if you double, p rebids 2♣) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 x and 2♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 X and pass. Barely good enough to invite, but it's very close, I have a singleton club, and I have no convenient bid anyway, so pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 ♠J54♥AJ64♦KQT94♣5 third seat, all white, imps. 1♣ - (1♠) - what is your plan?(if you double, p rebids 2♣) X and pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game. I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game. I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣. Distort? And the reason isn't to stop lower in clubs although that is nice too, it's to not miss hearts when LHO bids 2♠ or 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game. I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣. Distort? And the reason isn't to stop lower in clubs although that is nice too, it's to not miss hearts when LHO bids 2♠ or 3♠. Amen to this! In fact not doubling may be masterminding the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 X and pass. The singleton in partner's suit downgrade advises against inviting to game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 X and 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 x and pass...scares me when I agree with them :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 x and pass...scares me when I agree with them :) Scares you? :P x and 2♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? Yes I think it can definitely be that hand and is not a forward going bid at all. I'm simply betting on 2D being a better partial than 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I would downgrade to X and pass opposite a pick up partner.X and 2 ♦ would be gameforcing with a one suiter to me, so this is out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown. I double and then pass, misfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown. I double and then pass, misfit. You're too strong to bid 2D ergo you pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown. I double and then pass, misfit.How can double followed by 2♦ be weaker than double followed by pass?What is opener supposed to bid with 2=3=3=5 and no spade honor? Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown. I double and then pass, misfit.How can double followed by 2♦ be weaker than double followed by pass?What is opener supposed to bid with 2=3=3=5 and no spade honor? Rainer Herrmann 1N obv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I would downgrade to X and pass opposite a pick up partner.X and 2 ♦ would be gameforcing with a one suiter to me, so this is out. I guess that means a direct 2♦ is not forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 I would downgrade to X and pass opposite a pick up partner.X and 2 ♦ would be gameforcing with a one suiter to me, so this is out. I guess that means a direct 2♦ is not forcing? I would rate that 80% of my pick ups and 95 % of the guys I know play NFB here, so yes, I would assume it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 2♦, assuming it is not forcing to game. I will not distort my hand with a double, only for the sake of being able to stop in 2♣ instead of 3♣. Distort? And the reason isn't to stop lower in clubs although that is nice too, it's to not miss hearts when LHO bids 2♠ or 3♠. Amen to this! In fact not doubling may be masterminding the hand.Well, still under the assumption that 2♦ is not forcing to game, but only 10+: If I double and bid 2♦, all my partners would expect me to hold less than 10 points, but very often 6 diamonds. But of course standards may vary from place to place. So if X followed by ♦ shows this hand, it will of course have more merit. Furthermore, I will have no qualms about doubling a 2♠-raise. (And if I start with a double, and it is followed by a 2♠ raise passed to me, both pass and 3♦ will be quite uncomfortable.) If LHO bids 3♠ and partner cannot double it is quite seldom that we miss 4♥. It might happen, but by not showing our potential for 3NT, we will miss that much more often. And we can throw in the diamond-partials and (the few) diamond games, that we will also miss. In fact, even if partner is strong, the diamond suit might be unmentioned, when 6♦ is laydown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted October 7, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 this hand came up in one of the JEC matches the other day ♠T32 ♥Q7 ♦A86 ♣AJ876 ♠J64 ♥AJ64 ♦KQT94 ♣5 the full auction was short, and as some of you suggested: 1♣ - (1♠) - X - ( P )2♣ - ( P ) - 2♦- all pass at the time i thought 2♦ was a little too pessimistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted October 7, 2009 Report Share Posted October 7, 2009 What sort of values does double then 2♦ show? Could it also be xx K10xx K109xxx x, or does that hand have to pass 2♣? For me - and I believe in standard neg doubles - Dbl then 2D shows a weaker hand than the one shown. I double and then pass, misfit. You're too strong to bid 2D ergo you pass? Not sure what I have said to cause a confusion about what I said... I Dbl first, then pass. The hand is not too strong (or too weak) to bid 2D directly but IMO that is not as good as doubling, showing hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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