gnasher Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sqj8xhxd98xxxca10x]133|100|Scoring: IMPpass 1♦ 1♠ 2♥?[/hv]Opponents play a 12-14 notrump, and 1♦ promised four. In this situation, partner would preempt quite aggressively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I would go for 3, this hand won't play so well because of the diamond overruffs but they still rate to make 4♥ and maybe they'll miss it or partner can bid 4♠ over it. 2♠ is milquetoast and 4♠ is too unilateral (because of the ♦ overruffs). If you don't play a mixed raise here 3♠ is best. edit: on further consideration even if you played one 3red as a mixed raise it wouldn't make much sense to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 3♠ seems to be the book-bid, but it wouldn't take much of a read on my opponents, to make it 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 4♠ for me. If we bid less than 4♠, it seems we are hoping for one of 2 things: that partner does our job for us and bids 4♠ over 4♥, or we pass 4♥ out and it doesn't make (and we also can't make 4♠). I would much rather force LHO to choose between not showing his heart support, and showing it at the 5 level. Also we have 4 card support, an Ace and a singleton, so 4♠ will usually be an OK spot anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 4♠ The hand is worth an invitational raise (not a preemptive raise to 3♠).But since I am not going to defend 4♥ I will accept my own invitation.Your spade honors are useless in defense. Most of the time LHO will not have an easy decision if you bid 4 ♠ immediately. He is unlikely to have ♠ tricks Bidding anything less and then 4♠ over 4♥ will make double easy when this is best for the opponents. Raising ♠ and then passing 4♥ is even worse in the long run. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Agree with 4♠. 4♥ could easily make with their heart honours onside and diamonds dropping so letting LHO guess to bid at the 5 level or not seems like good prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Also 4♠. As for overruffs, north can count diamonds too, and ruff high in his hand. It's nice to have strong trumps in dummy B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fachiru Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I feel 4♠ is more likely to go down 1 than to make or go down more. Anything can happen, but I don't think 3♠ will buy it now, so I'll offer 200 to opps. now and leave them the last guess: take it or go for more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Certainly we have too much for 3♠, a mixed raise with 3♦ sounds apropiate if agreed. with no agreements I join the crowd that thikns that this hands fits very well that deserves to play 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=sqj8xhxd98xxxca10x]133|100|Scoring: IMPpass 1♦ 1♠ 2♥?[/hv]Opponents play a 12-14 notrump, and 1♦ promised four. In this situation, partner would preempt quite aggressively. Make whatever call you use for a limit raise of ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Certainly too good for 3♠ and for me clearly too good for a mixed raise. I could cuebid, but I think 4♠ now is a good bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 Agree that the hand is worth a limit raise but that 4S is a better bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 The possibilities are: - 3♥ (mixed) - 4♥ (splinter) - 4♠. I would delusioned if I thought we were buying this for 3♠, so a mixed (or limit) raise is out. I don't have a strong preference between 4♥ and 4♠, but 4♥ might lead to a successful 5♠ across from a 6214. There's an excellent chance LHO has a strong NT here, judging from our diamond length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 That's two people mentioning a mixed raise!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I don't have a strong preference between 4♥ and 4♠, but 4♥ might lead to a successful 5♠ across from a 6214. Since it shows a (way) better hand, it might also lead to an unsuccessful blackwood bid. Semi-preemptive splinters would potentially be a very useful agreement on this hand but unfortunately I don't play them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 That's two people mentioning a mixed raise!?! Oh c'mon HanP a MR is not that far off. Certainly it would be clear with a 4243. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 That's two people mentioning a mixed raise!?! Oh c'mon HanP a MR is not that far off. Certainly it would be clear with a 4243. If the hand was 4243 and you mentioned a splinter and han mocked it, would you say oh come on it's not that far off? :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 5, 2009 Report Share Posted October 5, 2009 I will bid 4♠ here. Maybe it makes, more likely it doesn't IMO, but the opps don't know that and I almost certainly think that they can make 4♥ and no way will I let them play it. 4♠ now and let the opps make the last guess and if opener wants to show his ♥ support he can now do so at the 5 level. I don't care for any monkeying around with ♥ bids trying to show a mixed raise or splinter or whatever since these allow opener to show PD his ♥ support by doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted October 6, 2009 Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 I think Andy asked to make the majority feel good with their 4 ♠ bid.I want to feel good too and my opps will feel the pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted October 6, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2009 In fact I asked because at the table I made a pathetic 3♠ bid, and I was hoping that the responses here would make me feel better about it. Oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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