mdaw Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Hi, I have a basic question about 2/1 system: bidding:1♣-1♦1♥ - ? Can responder pass after 1♥? Regards,David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Is it forcing? NoCan responder pass? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Under "standard" agreements, no it is not forcing. That is because opener can jump to 2♥ to set a game force, thus 1♥ can be passed. There is a style that people play in which new suits are forcing (thus a jump bid is a splinter) but I think it's too unplayable and plus it's not "standard". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdaw Posted October 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Ok, so what i have to do with 4-4-1-4, strong hand? I thought, that reverse in 2♥ should promise 5 clubs, and nice hand. Regards,David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 The 4-4-4-1 pattern is more difficult. It does not prevent you from making a j/s, which is different than a reverse. The reverse shows longer cards in the first bid suit. The issue with the 4-4-4-1 pattern is these hands often do not play so great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Hi, I have a basic question about 2/1 system: bidding:1♣-1♦1♥ - ? Can responder pass after 1♥? Regards,David IMO yes he can pass, since your 1♥ bid essentially limits your hand. I suspect there will be much consternation from many on the first sentence but hey you didn't reverse so you are weaker than you might have been. About now the "I have a 4441 hand" argument will surface but those seldom play as well as expected so even that is a limit of a sort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I thought Walsh was a standard part of 2/1 and so I would think that 1♥ is kind of a reverse and forcing?!!This is a question. I don't really know 2/1!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 After specifically 1C-1D, Opener rebids NT (1 or 2) with balanced hands in the most common version of Hardy or Walsh 2/1 (talking about the old Walsh style 2/1, not the modern special responses). 1H shows an unbalanced hand short of jump-shift values. Passable? yes if you are in the group who respond 1D on trash, I guess. But under normal circumstances why would you want to do that? It gives the opponents too much room to come in at a very low level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 I thought Walsh was a standard part of 2/1 and so I would think that 1♥ is kind of a reverse and forcing?!!This is a question. I don't really know 2/1!!Playing Walsh 1♥ shows an unbalanced pattern, typically 54 at least. With a balanced hand you would rebid in NT.I♥ is 100% non forcing, limited to about 16 points. Bid 2♥ with 17+ to create a force. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted October 3, 2009 Report Share Posted October 3, 2009 I thought Walsh was a standard part of 2/1 and so I would think that 1♥ is kind of a reverse and forcing?!!This is a question. I don't really know 2/1!!Playing Walsh 1♥ shows an unbalanced pattern, typically 54 at least. With a balanced hand you would rebid in NT.I♥ is 100% non forcing, limited to about 16 points. Bid 2♥ with 17+ to create a force. lol. so jump shifts are nonforcing, too? 17 is not a jump shift Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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