1NT XX

[Cascade]

(1NT) X (XX) ?

 

XX = strong.

 

When do you run?

 

Is fourth seat expected to run with any weak hand?

 

Or only with a five-card suit?

 

Is doubler expected to run when he thinks it is unlikely that 1NT will be defeated opposite just a few points?

[billw55]

Obviously somebody needs to run :lol:

 

But it doesn't have to be 4th seat. Pass would say, in effect, "I have no obvious choice of run out", handing the decision back to partner who may have a long suit. Therefore, I do think that a direct rescue by 4th seat should promise a 5 card suit.

[effervesce]

Technically, given optimal bidding strategies from both sides 4th seat expected to run with a weak hand. Otherwise opps can make a psychic redouble, if passing means doubler has to run unless they have an extremely good hand. But practically, this probably isn't the case for most people's agreements.

[xcurt]

I had this one recently

 

1NT* - p - p - x

p - p - xx - p

p - 2D

 

* weak

 

Is this D + a higher, since partner could have bid 2D over 1NTx with just a bunch of diamonds? Of course he doesn't know the redouble is coming.

[quiddity]

Assuming penalty doubles of 1NT, I like the agreement that advancer must run with any weak hand and pass with values, and that a 2C bid is scrambling.

[Mbodell]

It probably depends on form of scoring too. As a psychic XX is more likely in BAM or MP than in IMPs.

[awm]

I like the agreement that pass shows values, 2♦-2♠ are five card suits, and 2♣ shows clubs or any (semi)-balanced weak hand. If pass is forcing it allows the opponents to always escape by psyching the redouble (or if they psyched the original 1NT and actually have the redouble).

[nigel_k]

I would definitely have the agreement that passing a redouble is always for penalty unless discussed.

 

I have never discussed doing anything else here with any of my partners but it probably makes sense to believe the redoubler because it is such a dangerous psych. So, if you wanted to, you could have some kind of agreement such as bidding the lower of 2 suits and pass forcing 2♣ with a one suiter. In the absence of any agreement like that I don't see any advantage in playing pass as other than penalty.

[Finch]

If the redouble is genuine then 4th seat is known to have a very weak hand.

 

My agreement is to 'believe' the redouble; 4th seat always passes and the doubler pulls unless he has it off in his own hand (which can happen with a long suit).

[shyams]

If the redouble is genuine then 4th seat is known to have a very weak hand.

 

My agreement is to 'believe' the redouble; 4th seat always passes and the doubler pulls unless he has it off in his own hand (which can happen with a long suit).

I think this is both simple and useful. Thanks.

 

What would you do in 4th seat when opps play Weak NT and 3rd seat passes to force a redouble. The bidding goes:

1NT (12-14) - X (pen) - Pass (alerted: forces a rdbl) - ???

XX (forced) - pass - Pass (business) - ???

 

Again, the 4th seat is known to have a very weak hand but is also the last to call if the 4th seat chose to pass in round 1. Any suggestions or comments?