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What do you bid (4NT unavaible with this partner)  

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  1. 1. What do you bid (4NT unavaible with this partner)

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Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.

Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with

 

KQJx, -,Axxx,AJxxx

 

 

I, a coward, prefer to bid and fight it out at 5, if my vulnerable partner, who was not in the pass-out seat, and really came in at the 4 level with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx opposite a hand who had already passed over 3.

 

Rainer Herrmann

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Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.

Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with

 

KQJx, -,Axxx,AJxxx

 

 

I prefer to fight it out at 5, if necessary.

 

Rainer Herrmann

Partner has minimums way more than he has maximums!

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Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.

Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with

 

KQJx, -,Axxx,AJxxx

 

 

I, a coward, prefer to bid and fight it out at 5, if my vulnerable partner, who was not in the pass-out seat, and really came in at the 4 level with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx opposite a hand who had already passed over 3.

 

Rainer Herrmann

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Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.

Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with

 

KQJx, -,Axxx,AJxxx

 

 

I prefer to fight it out at 5, if necessary.

 

Rainer Herrmann

Partner has minimums way more than he has maximums!

The question is what a minimum double should look like at unfavorable vulnerability at the 4 level.

To me your hand looks like a normal minimum takeout double at the one level.

And if you consider your hand a minimum double at the 4 level, mine is certainly not a maximum and the range becomes extremely wide.

Catering for the absolute minimum in such a scenario will lead to far more missed slams than taking the middle ground with a slightly more optimistic view will lead to minus scores.

 

Rainer Herrmann

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Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.

Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with

 

KQJx, -,Axxx,AJxxx

 

 

I prefer to fight it out at 5, if necessary.

 

Rainer Herrmann

Partner has minimums way more than he has maximums!

The question is what a minimum double should look like at unfavorable vulnerability at the 4 level.

To me your hand looks like a normal minimum takeout double at the one level.

And if you consider your hand a minimum double at the 4 level, mine is certainly not a maximum and the range becomes extremely wide.

Catering for the absolute minimum in such a scenario will lead to far more missed slams than taking the middle ground with a slightly more optimistic view will lead to minus scores.

 

Rainer Herrmann

Rainer

 

That is not a nut you are trying to crack it is a diamond! GL :lol:

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5.

Denies a heart control but partner is allowed to pass with one. (5 would show a 5 bid with a heart control. At least that's how I'm used to play).

 

We will often have a slam, and it takes a careful construction to leave us in greater danger in 5 than an unlucky ruff or a very bad trump split. I'm surprised about the pessimism of some of the previous posters.

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Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.
Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with KQJx, -,Axxx,AJxxx

I, a coward, prefer to bid and fight it out at 5, if my vulnerable partner, who was not in the pass-out seat, and really came in at the 4 level with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx opposite a hand who had already passed over 3.

JLall sensibly warns us against punishing partner for enterprise. Nevertheless, IMO, Rainer is right for the right reasons. Admittedly, you may get too high when partner pre-protects at the four-level, light, opposite a passed partner and at adverse vulnerability. But you would normally expect a fairly good hand. Fluffy's partner's actual hand would be a disappointment.
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3-3 and K onside meant that 6 was cold.

It also means that it is a slam you don't want to be in.

Thinking about it and to be fair, if partner merely had JTxxx of clubs instead of Txxxx you wouldn't need the 3-3 club break or the diamond finesse to make. The more I think about this hand the more I like bidding 5. Slam could easily make even if partner was stretching a bit like Axxx x xxx AJxxx plus whatever else you need to make a minimum double (though I won't reach that one.) I am intending it as a general invitation which also denies a heart control, not as a request to bid slam if he has a heart control.

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