Fluffy Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 ♠A8652♥72♦QJ62♣KQ Dealer east, vul NS (3♥)-pass-(4♥)-double(pass)-??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zheddh Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 What does 5S mean in this auction? Is it a general slam try(without heart control perhaps?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 color me chicken 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with ♠KQJx, ♥-,♦Axxx,♣AJxxx I, a coward, prefer to bid and fight it out at 5♠, if my vulnerable partner, who was not in the pass-out seat, and really came in at the 4 level with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx opposite a hand who had already passed over 3♥. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with ♠KQJx, ♥-,♦Axxx,♣AJxxx I prefer to fight it out at 5♠, if necessary. Rainer Herrmann Partner has minimums way more than he has maximums! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with ♠KQJx, ♥-,♦Axxx,♣AJxxx I, a coward, prefer to bid and fight it out at 5♠, if my vulnerable partner, who was not in the pass-out seat, and really came in at the 4 level with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx opposite a hand who had already passed over 3♥. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with ♠KQJx, ♥-,♦Axxx,♣AJxxx I prefer to fight it out at 5♠, if necessary. Rainer Herrmann Partner has minimums way more than he has maximums!The question is what a minimum double should look like at unfavorable vulnerability at the 4 level. To me your hand looks like a normal minimum takeout double at the one level. And if you consider your hand a minimum double at the 4 level, mine is certainly not a maximum and the range becomes extremely wide. Catering for the absolute minimum in such a scenario will lead to far more missed slams than taking the middle ground with a slightly more optimistic view will lead to minus scores. Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with ♠KQJx, ♥-,♦Axxx,♣AJxxx I prefer to fight it out at 5♠, if necessary. Rainer Herrmann Partner has minimums way more than he has maximums!The question is what a minimum double should look like at unfavorable vulnerability at the 4 level. To me your hand looks like a normal minimum takeout double at the one level. And if you consider your hand a minimum double at the 4 level, mine is certainly not a maximum and the range becomes extremely wide. Catering for the absolute minimum in such a scenario will lead to far more missed slams than taking the middle ground with a slightly more optimistic view will lead to minus scores. Rainer Herrmann Rainer That is not a nut you are trying to crack it is a diamond! GL :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Color me chicken -- 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 5♠.Denies a heart control but partner is allowed to pass with one. (5♥ would show a 5♠ bid with a heart control. At least that's how I'm used to play). We will often have a slam, and it takes a careful construction to leave us in greater danger in 5♠ than an unlucky ruff or a very bad trump split. I'm surprised about the pessimism of some of the previous posters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Partner held: KQxxx-Axx10xxxx ♣3-3 and ♦K onside meant that 6♠ was cold. At the table I tried 5♠, LHO 6♥ and partner quickly doubled wich gatherer +300 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Given that there is 6♠ in the answers I was surprised not to see 7♠ as well. :D I voted for 4 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 ♣3-3 and ♦K onside meant that 6♠ was cold.It also means that it is a slam you don't want to be in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 ♣3-3 and ♦K onside meant that 6♠ was cold.It also means that it is a slam you don't want to be in. Maybe so. But it is not as bad as you might think. The ♦ finesse is more than 50% to work and if the Jack♣ falls in 4-2 breaks you are a cow in clover. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Congratulate partner on his brave double with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx to get us to a vul game we would otherwise have missed.Better to congratulate yourself for your braveness when partner instead turns up with ♠KQJx, ♥-,♦Axxx,♣AJxxxI, a coward, prefer to bid and fight it out at 5♠, if my vulnerable partner, who was not in the pass-out seat, and really came in at the 4 level with KJxx x Kxxx Axxx opposite a hand who had already passed over 3♥.JLall sensibly warns us against punishing partner for enterprise. Nevertheless, IMO, Rainer is right for the right reasons. Admittedly, you may get too high when partner pre-protects at the four-level, light, opposite a passed partner and at adverse vulnerability. But you would normally expect a fairly good hand. Fluffy's partner's actual hand would be a disappointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Partner did very well to double, I congratulate him. Clearly with this partner you only want to bid 4♠. Obviously there are players opposite whom you should do more than that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 ♣3-3 and ♦K onside meant that 6♠ was cold.It also means that it is a slam you don't want to be in. Thinking about it and to be fair, if partner merely had JTxxx of clubs instead of Txxxx you wouldn't need the 3-3 club break or the diamond finesse to make. The more I think about this hand the more I like bidding 5. Slam could easily make even if partner was stretching a bit like Axxx x xxx AJxxx plus whatever else you need to make a minimum double (though I won't reach that one.) I am intending it as a general invitation which also denies a heart control, not as a request to bid slam if he has a heart control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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