benlessard Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (pass)-----pass-----(1C)-----(pass)(pass)------1D------(2C)-------??? 87xxAxxAxAQ9x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Double. If double is not penalty, pass and hope partner doubles. You didn't give the conditions but I might do this even vul vs not at matchpoints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (pass)-----pass-----(1C)-----(pass)(pass)------1D------(2C)-------??? 87xxAxxAxAQ9x 1NT wtp? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (pass)-----pass-----(1C)-----(pass)(pass)------1D------(2C)-------??? 87xxAxxAxAQ9x 1NT wtp? i guess then, when you double after the insufficient bid, partner is truly barred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantumcat Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Is this a standard way to cheat? If you really want to make a penalty double, but your double is takeout, and your p may not make a takeout double? To make an insufficient bid, and then double?? I guess you'd only do it if you knew what contract you wanted to play aftr they ran and you didn't need your p's help to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (pass)-----pass-----(1C)-----(pass)(pass)------1D------(2C)-------??? 87xxAxxAxAQ9x 1NT wtp? If you mean last round, LOL at the bid. If you mean this round, LOL at the joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 Is this a standard way to cheat? If you really want to make a penalty double, but your double is takeout, and your p may not make a takeout double? To make an insufficient bid, and then double?? I guess you'd only do it if you knew what contract you wanted to play aftr they ran and you didn't need your p's help to find out. It's such an obvious way to cheat that you specifically aren't allowed to replace an insufficient bid with a double.* [*OK, in some circumstances you can, but then the double isn't penalties] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 29, 2009 Report Share Posted September 29, 2009 (pass)-----pass-----(1C)-----(pass)(pass)------1D------(2C)-------??? 87xxAxxAxAQ9x 1NT wtp? i guess then, when you double after the insufficient bid, partner is truly barred. exactly :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Double. If double is not penalty, pass and hope partner doubles. You are playing penalty double here ? Why ? Partner may easily have 5D+4M and you may easily have both majors 5/4 not wanting to overcall because your suit is weak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 30, 2009 Report Share Posted September 30, 2009 Double. If double is not penalty, pass and hope partner doubles. You are playing penalty double here ? Why ? Partner may easily have 5D+4M and you may easily have both majors 5/4 not wanting to overcall because your suit is weak. We have had this debate many times, and it is clear double as penalty or as takeout both have a lot of merit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted October 2, 2009 Report Share Posted October 2, 2009 Double. If double is not penalty, pass and hope partner doubles. You are playing penalty double here ? Why ? Partner may easily have 5D+4M and you may easily have both majors 5/4 not wanting to overcall because your suit is weak. We have had this debate many times, and it is clear double as penalty or as takeout both have a lot of merit. Agreed...I am old enough to remember the old days when this would be penalty showing a hand like you hold that had no bid over 1♣ and wasn't strong enough for 1NT. As far as being 5/4 in the majors for example, I overcall in a major on 65432 if my hand is almost opening bid strength or better so that isn't an issue for me or I might gamble a take out double if 44M with opening strength and 2♦. While I could be 44M and have passed, I prefer penalty here as so many opps just rebid 2♣ on hands that should clearly pass. IMHO, 2m contracts don't get whacked nearly enough and if the opps make it still isn't game. Yes two sides to this argument but I double in either case with this good a hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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