Bidding problem @ Teams

[fachiru]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sq952hj9dqj1083c43]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

You have this hand as North and auction starts with E as dealer:

p-2♣-p-2♦

p-3nt-p-?

 

Your 2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments;

Do you make a move and if so, what is your call?

[pooltuna]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sq952hj9dqj1083c43]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

You have this hand as North and auction starts with E as dealer:

p-2♣-p-2♦

p-3nt-p-?

 

Your 2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments;

Do you make a move and if so, what is your call?

Well I use

1NT=15-17

1m-1x-2NT=18-19

2NT=20-21

2c-2x-2NT=22-23

2c-2x-3NT=24-25

 

and 25+6=31<33

so my call is Pass

KISS

[aguahombre]

25 to 27 with my partner, and some tricks in my hand. Stayman 4c. Hope partner does not have spades, actually, so I can show my diamond suit.

[jdonn]

4NT. In fact if I knew partner had enough keycards/controls for sure I would bid 6. The very strong balanced hands always make a TON of tricks opposite a long suit or two.

 

Ok thinking more about hands partner can have, the 6 is a slight exageration (not if we are 3262 though) but I'll stick with 4.

[billw55]

4NT seems reasonable and will probably work.

 

What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so. ;)

[gnasher]

What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so. :)

I think he has to bid a 4-card suit over 2♦, and hope to find out enough about responder's strength to be able to place the contract. The alternative is 2♣-2♦;4NT, but that's horrible.

[Trinidad]

4NT seems reasonable and will probably work. 

 

What I am wondering, is how would partner bid a really wacky huge balanced hand, like a 30 count or so.  :)

For a while, I played Multi and Kokish relay. This lead to:

 

2NT: 20-21

2♣-2♦; 2NT: 22-23

2♦-2x; 2NT: 24-25

2♣-2♦; 2♥-2♠; 2NT: 26-27

2♣-2♦; 3NT: 28-29

2♦-2x; 3NT: 30-31

2♣-2♦; 2♥-2♠; 3NT: 32-33

 

The last auction actually came up once!

 

Rik

[TylerE]

Well, a typical hand for partner here would be something like

 

AKx

AQJ

Kxx

AQJx

 

6 looks pretty reasonable, so I just bid it and don't give them the chance to suggest a lead. Without the JT of ♦ I would pass.

[dake50]

If 2D-waiting accepts GF, partner can 2N to allow exploring. Why 3N? Why no 2S? Sounds like running clubs --that's not good!

[TylerE]

Sometimes quantitative is best. If responder can show a reasonable 5 card suit over 2♣ there is absolutely no reason not to make a nice quantitative bid. In fact, with one partner I had a way of showing both 26-27 and 28-29 counts. It didn't cost us useful sequences, and on the few occasions it came it, we almost always earned a top by having a way to show the hand.

 

2♣ auctions are normally iffy enough...overloading a not-overly descriptive bid does NOT improve things.

[Fluffy]

Well, a typical hand for partner here would be something like

 

AKx

AQJ

Kxx

AQJx

 

6 looks pretty reasonable, so I just bid it and don't give them the chance to suggest a lead. Without the JT of ♦ I would pass.

wowo, I'd think tht a typical had was

 

♠AK10

♥Q

♦Kx

♣AKQJxxx

 

I guess I play differetn methods than anyone :)

[paulg]

I'd bid 5NT, asking for suits up the line.

 

The idea of using 5NT, over all notrump opening bids, as asking for suits up the line was something I had not come across in England but is completely standard in Scotland (perhaps @nige1 knows who started this).

 

It does make some sense as the quantitative 5NT never seems to come up.

[gnasher]

wowo, I'd think tht a typical had was

 

♠AK10

♥Q

♦Kx

♣AKQJxxx

 

I guess I play differetn methods than anyone :)

No, you play different methods than those in use for this problem, where '2♦ is "waiting" and you don't have any special treatments' Given those conditions, there seems to be no workable alternative to using 3NT as a balanced hand.

[Fluffy]

I don't think playing 2NT as any balanced is so special really.

[Cyberyeti]

I don't think playing 2NT as any balanced is so special really.

Means you play in game, usually going off with 23-24 opposite zero, most people play 2♣-2♦-2N as the only non game forcing auction after 2♣, certainly in the UK, not sure elsewhere.