Fluffy Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&w=sxxhakqxxxxdqxxcx&e=sa10xhjxdakj9xca9x]266|100|Scoring: IMP1♥-(1♠)-2♦2♥-2♠3♥-3♠4♦-4NT5♣-5♦p[/hv] basically this nonsense ended up with both players thinking that partner's suit had been settled as trumps, west showing 1 keycard, east trying to ask about ♥Q and playing there. +640 only losed 13 IMPs. So this aberration cost 26. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Hey West, what do you call a solid 7-card major? edit - If West does take the 2H/3H approach then I would bid 4C instead of 3S with the East hand to avoid an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&w=sxxhakqxxxxdqxxcx&e=sa10xhjxdakj9xca9x]266|100|Scoring: IMP1♥-(1♠)-2♦2♥-2♠3♥-3♠4♦-4NT5♣-5♦p[/hv] basically this nonsense ended up with both players thinking that partner's suit had been settled as trumps, west showing 1 keycard, east trying to ask about ♥Q and playing there. +640 only losed 13 IMPs. So this aberration cost 26. hate 4d, hate 3s.... another silly cuebidding disaster yet again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkDean Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 I think West should bid 3♥ at his second call. It is a rare hand when diamonds is going to play better than hearts. Plus it sets a GF right away. Then again, I would play 2♥ as NF, so I am guessing the pair in question play a different system than I am used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 AGain I guess I am missing something this seems like a really easy hand.... over 3h I bid rkc..... 2h is fine....3h is fine... hate 3s hate 4d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&w=sxxhakqxxxxdqxxcx&e=sa10xhjxdakj9xca9x]266|100|Scoring: IMP1♥-(1♠)-2♦2♥-2♠3♥-3♠4♦-4NT5♣-5♦p[/hv] basically this nonsense ended up with both players thinking that partner's suit had been settled as trumps, west showing 1 keycard, east trying to ask about ♥Q and playing there. +640 only losed 13 IMPs. So this aberration cost 26. It is a difficult question: what is trumps when you bid 4NT after this bidding. - ♥ because you'll almost always play in that 7+card major. And you already made a GF with 2♠, So 3♠ should now set ♥ as trump. 4♦ didn't agree ♦'s then, it was a cue for ♥ (♦ cue possible with ♦Q in partners suit)- ♦, because that suit was agreed as trump. 3♠ was only looking for ♠ stop to play 3NT. We need someone who has writtin a book about control bids to answer this question. ;) 1♥-(1♠)-2♦4♥-4NT5♠-6♦ (6♦ asking 3rd round control ♦)7♥ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 As kgr says, the key question is what 3♠ shows. Unless a major is clearly agreed, a bid in the opponents' suit at the three-level is normally a try for notrumps. I wouldn't want to make an exception for this sequence, so I don't think 3♠ agrees hearts. In that case, 4♦ is natural, and 4NT is RKCB for diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Think I would have bid 3♦ over 2♠ (2♠ is GF) planning to bid 4♥ later on as a suggestion to play. Had I had this sequence 3♠ is either looking for 3NT or an advanced cue in which case that would be for hearts. So 4♦ is a cue (partner's main suit) and says nothing about suggesting diamonds as trumps since I might have been able to bid 3♦ over 2♠ beforehand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 1♥-(1♠)-2♦3♥-4♣ cuebid4♦ cuebid - 4NT5♠ - 7♥ looks reasonable. I think that West should rebid 3♥ given pard's 2♦ bid makes the hand much better than minimum. AK diamonds, A spades is all that is needed to make 6♥ odds on.I prefer cuebidding 4♦ with the west hand, showing a top honor in pard's suit (never shortage), allowing east to count 13 tricks after keycarding for hearts. The 3♠ bid by east was ambiguous - as the resultant auction clearly showed, west didn't think it agreed hearts. 4♣ would be much easier to read as a cuebid for hearts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 I think this hand is a 4♥ opening preempt with no outside controls.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - That aside, I like kqr's auction.... with the 4H rebid. I was thinking about the 3rd Rnd Ctrl ask also, but partner will put you in 7♥ with the following hand ( exchange the pointy suits) and you will need a 3-3- Diam split to make.... not to mention the issue of opener thinking 6D is to play @#! So all in all, I think 6♥ is reasonable stop: ♠ Q x x♥ A K Q x x x x♦ x x♣ x - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -Standard replies to 6♦! 3rd Rnd Ctrl ask:6H = no 3rd Rnd Ctrl6NT = ♦Q ( NT alsways shows the asked-for feature )7♦ = ♦Q J7♥ = doubleton x x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 it's still better than the more common situation when both players think it's their that's trump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=b&w=sxxhakqxxxxdqxxcx&e=sa10xhjxdakj9xca9x]266|100|Scoring: IMP1♥-(1♠)-2♦2♥-2♠3♥-3♠4♦-4NT5♣-5♦p[/hv] basically this nonsense ended up with both players thinking that partner's suit had been settled as trumps, west showing 1 keycard, east trying to ask about ♥Q and playing there. +640 only losed 13 IMPs. So this aberration cost 26. I blame the 3 level bids. Either West should bid 4♥ over 2♠ or bid 3♦. The latter implies IMO 6♥ since he could have supported ♦ rather than bid 2♥ and gives partner a chance to show 2 card ♥ support. The 3♠ bid IMO is very ambiguous but then maybe he is used to his partner trying to mastermind the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 oneferbrid is the only one who thinks the hand should have been opened 4H? 4H(7-7/12 tricks) 4NT5S 6D7H(any 3rd round countrol of diamonds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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