whereagles Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 ♠ Ax♥ KT♦ 9x♣ AKT9xxx ♠ xxx♥ A9xxxx♦ AT♣ QJ Auction starts(1♠) 2♣ (p) ?? Can you reach 7♣ now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Don´t think I would even find 6♣, good news are that if north takes the contrtol and asks for key cards after south has shown his ♥ suit he won´t fail to bid 7, the only way I can see to reach is this one: (1♠)-2♣-p-2♥p-2♠-p-3♦**p-4♣-p-4♦p-4NT-p-5♠p-7♣- 3♦**: this is the most dubious bid, probably I would bid 3♣ or 3♥, but then north is gonna bid 3/4♥, and we will end on 4/6♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 7♣ fails on a ♦ lead imo, when trumps are 3-1... So 6♣ is just high enough. I wouldn't bid 2♣ with my favorite partner, but Dbl, and rebid ♣. However, we'd probably end in 4♥ or 6♥... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Well, I doubt I would do it at the table, but the south hand almost cries out for a fit jump to 3♥ over the 2♣ overcall. The problem with the fit jump here are somewhat minor. I like to have some honor other than (or in addition to) the ACE, so while the heart lenght is excellent for this bid, the heart honors are not perfect. The other problem is the presences of only two clubs... but I am not overly concerned about my two card support, the QJ doubleton is excellent support for a 2♣ overcall. After a fit jump, and a 3♠/4♦ cue bid, I don't see how you can stay out of slam. Grand slam is still somewhat difficult to imagine.Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Well, I doubt I would do it at the table, but the south hand almost cries out for a fit jump to 3♥ over the 2♣ overcall. The problem with the fit jump here are somewhat minor. I like to have some honor other than (or in addition to) the ACE, so while the heart lenght is excellent for this bid, the heart honors are not perfect. The other problem is the presences of only two clubs... but I am not overly concerned about my two card support, the QJ doubleton is excellent support for a 2♣ overcall. After a fit jump, and a 3♠/4♦ cue bid, I don't see how you can stay out of slam. Grand slam is still somewhat difficult to imagine.Ben I don't like the fit showing jump, however, I'm from a school that believes that fit-shoing jumps needs to be relatively disciplined. If I am going to jump shift to 3H, I want to make sure that partner will be well positioned as the auction progresses. In this case, the Heart suit is too weak. Partner will never be able to appreciate whether fitting honors are pulling full weight. Furthermore, the Club support is a bit too weak for my liking. Change the hand to ♠ xxx♥ AQxxxx♦ T8♣ QJ4 and I'd happily start with a fit jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luis Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Perfect for the overcalling system I'm playing: (1s)2c (Clubs or Clubs and Hearts)2d (relay)2n (clubs one suited) [2h would have been c+h canape, 2s=c+h with longer clubs)3d (relay) 3N (2-2-2-7)4d (CRASH Asking bid) [4c would have started denial cuebids]4n (Two aces of the same color)5c (Asking again)6c (hK and cK)7c (Signoff) :-))Luis If you are interested in this overcalling system I can start a thread, basically we use power doubles (16+ any shape), 1NT as a takeout double of their opening bid and overcalls that show either the suit bid or a two suiter eliminating the opening bid suit and the next higher suit which is used as a relay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Impressive bidding there, Luis :P At the table it went(1♠) 2♣ 2♥ (natural, forcing)2♠ 3♥4♥ pass The club fit never came to light, so overcaller signed-off in 4♥. Perhaps this is a solution playing natural methods, without biasing the bidding too much.(1♠)2♣ 2♥2♠ 3♣4♣ 4♦4NT 5♠6♣ pass If overcaller is in need of a swing, he can still gamble advancer for 5 or 6 hearts to the king and bid 7♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrows Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Perhaps this is a solution playing natural methods, without biasing the bidding too much.(1♠)2♣ 2♥2♠ 3♣4♣ 4♦4NT 5♠6♣ pass yeah, exactly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRG Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 7♣ fails on a ♦ lead imo, when trumps are 3-1... So 6♣ is just high enough. I wouldn't bid 2♣ with my favorite partner, but Dbl, and rebid ♣. However, we'd probably end in 4♥ or 6♥... LOL. Everytime I play a slam like this, I get a ♦ lead. So I win the Ace. I play one round of !Cs (out of habit, because here I need a 2-2 split anyway), and then play a ♥ to the King and back to the Ace. Everyone follows to the first round of ♥s, but when I play the Ace, it gets ruffed! So I go down in 6!C. Oh well, I know I should learn to play better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 (1♠) - 2♣ - (p) - 2♦{5+♥}(p) - 3♣{max, good ♣} - (p) - 3♦{GF, stopper+♦}(p) - 3♥{Tx♥} - {p) - 3♠{♠ stopper ask}(dbl) - rdbl{1 control ♠} - (p) - 4♣{fit, slam interest} (p) - 4♥{A/K♥, agree for slam} (p) - 5C{odd KC, deny ♠ control}(p) - 5♦{false control, KC enough for grand} - (p) - 5NT{Q♣ but nothing more}6♣{without Q ♥ 7♣ is not good contract} - all pass Because of bold bids I hope opps to lead ♠ and I to make 6♣ with expected 4-1♥ and 3-1♣. If I bid and make 6♣ will be wining contract at any tournament, I just don't need 7 in competition, where 90% of field will play simple game. Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Misho is showing transfer advances in competition here. This is really a neat advancement in competitive bidding, and is worth some study and consideration. I remember he started some threads on this subject, but they turned out to be more of a dialogue between him and me than anything else. It would be nice to see how other people play transfer advances (and when they are off and when they are on). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PriorKnowledge Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 BTW, this hand is interesting in that the final contract should be 7C, not 6C. If 6C is making, so is 7C. If the heart suit comes in, you make 7C. If not, you fail at 6C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 17, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 I'm a big fan of transfer advances. The only reason I don't play them in a regular basis is they need a steady partner. I know a few experts that say exactly the same B) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 The play here is also interesting, in 6c after a diamond lead, you should play 3 rounds of clubs imidietly ruffing high in your hand, then get into dummy with club, and play another heart, discarding a diamond from hand, wather its ruffed or not you will make the slam. playing trump before heart or trump after you ruff the heart will get you 1-down when trumps arent breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 7♣ fails on a ♦ lead imo, when trumps are 3-1... So 6♣ is just high enough. I wouldn't bid 2♣ with my favorite partner, but Dbl, and rebid ♣. However, we'd probably end in 4♥ or 6♥... LOL. Everytime I play a slam like this, I get a ♦ lead. So I win the Ace. I play one round of !Cs (out of habit, because here I need a 2-2 split anyway), and then play a ♥ to the King and back to the Ace. Everyone follows to the first round of ♥s, but when I play the Ace, it gets ruffed! So I go down in 6!C. Oh well, I know I should learn to play better. You should go down in this contrat if you play correctly. look one post above for the right play, you dont need a 2-2 club split. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishovnbg Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 I'm a big fan of transfer advances. The only reason I don't play them in a regular basis is they need a steady partner. I know a few experts that say exactly the same :angry: Hi whereagles! About our method "Equality" of transfer bids in competition you can read here:http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=18392http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=18420http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=18417http://bridgebase.lunarpages.com/~bridge2/...indpost&p=18419http://forums.bridgebase.com/ind...indpost&p=30735http://forums.bridgebase.com/ind...indpost&p=39502 Will be very nice if you can write there your opinion, as well as anybody too. We with Ben are somehow tired of dialogue way of posting there... I am still wondering why such posters like Ron, Luis, Richard... didn't wrote there...PS Ben, read general definition of our method, it was updated by me.Misho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 I will be very happy with 3N, after pd's 2c, raise to 3C, and pd will bid 3N. this is better than most of contract. forget about 6/7c. u never lose for these hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted June 18, 2004 Author Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Thx misho. I'll have a look later this weekend. Actually, I'm getting more and more convinced of the value of transfers whenever you want to compete to a part-score or game, not just in advancing situations. I believe the future of competitive bidding rests on schemes such as "Capp/1MX": 1♠ (dbl) ??1NT, 2♣, 2♦ = transfers. Competitive or strongish2♥ = sound 3-card raise to 2-level or higher2♠ = trash raise2NT+ = offensive 4-card raises and fit-bids A friend of mine is working on expanding these concepts to other bidding situations 8) The same philosophy is not to be used when preempting, though. Preempts should be natural, in order to give opponents as little chances as possible to bid, in this case two. Stuff like transfer preempts give opponents three chances to bid, therefore increasing the risk of being penalized and letting go some of the pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trpltrbl Posted June 27, 2004 Report Share Posted June 27, 2004 I like to be in 6♣, since I am sure against me they will lead a ♦. Mike :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lbyer Posted June 30, 2004 Report Share Posted June 30, 2004 How about this for a non-artificial sequence? 1♠ - 2♣ - P - 2♥P - 2♠ - P - 3♥P - 4♣ - P - 4[NT] P - 5♣ (3 key) - P - 6♣ I guess I wouldn't get to 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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