jdonn Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 You mean I'm not the crazy one? Things have changed around here since I left. Jlall has a good point about possibly bidding 2♥ on 2-4 in the red suits then wanting to play 3♦, but I'm not nearly as confident about guessing where to play right away over 2NT and prefer to have some investigatory tool other than 3♠ available. xxxxx Ax Axx Txx you might bid 4♥ or 3NT and in either case find the other contract is much better. But it's worth discussing, although I'd say again if you are going to discuss it anyway it seems like a good auction for transfers. Although then you can't bid 3♣ to play. Ugh I don't know. Thinking a little more I'd still want 3♦ forcing, I think choosing diamonds over hearts (and notrump) after having already chosen hearts over diamonds (albiet via false preference) is, although possible, essentially a fluke. I would give up on it if I have to choose, it's such a small sample of hands that didn't pass 2♦ earlier because game was possible, but aren't good enough for game over 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 I wonder why people keep interpreting as signoffs bids that I think are obviously forcing. Usually it's the other way around.... 2NT-3♦ and ... 2NT-3♦-3♥ are both clearly forcing. If you think one of these should be non-forcing, try to write down a hand where you'd want to bid it.3♦ says "I have enough to accept the game try and good diamonds, and I don't know where to play." In reply, 3♥ says "I have quite good hearts, but not good enough to insist on 4♥. Which game do you want to play?"The auction under discussion is...1♥ 1♠2♦ 2♥2N ??What a mess. It is a matter of style whether any or all of responder's suit three bids are forcing. Arguably, both partner and you have limited your hands, so perhaps three-bids should be invitational at most. A case can be made for 3♣ to be the only forcing bid, a kind of belated fourth suit forcing. At the other extreme, 3♣ may be a weak sign-off with 5+♣. Notwithstanding, Gnasher and I feel that pass is the only weak bid here. I seem to have covered all bases ;) Lacking a relevant agreement, however, surely JLall is right, that 4♥ is the safest rebid holding♠ J87x ♥ Qx ♦ AQx ♣ Jxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Notwithstanding, Gnasher and I feel that pass is the only weak bid here. No I don't. Over 2NT, I think that 3♣ is natural and non-forcing, because I can't see any reason to play it as anything else. I think that 3♥ is non-forcing if responder can have a weak hand with three hearts, and forcing otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 It is a matter of style whether any or all of responder's suit three bids are forcing. How could 3♠ possibly be non-forcing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Notwithstanding, Gnasher and I feel that pass is the only weak bid here. No I don't. Over 2NT, I think that 3♣ is natural and non-forcing, because I can't see any reason to play it as anything else. I think that 3♥ is non-forcing if responder can have a weak hand with three hearts, and forcing otherwise. Sorry :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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