Winstonm Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 For whatever it is worth, I would have passed, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 When this was posted I thought it was a choice between 3♥ and 3♠. I guess I learn new things about people every day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 3S. Pass is unbelievable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 3♠ seems pretty much normal. Not the right texture and playing strength to cue. Pass is only an option if pard can't play cards and does not want to learn to play cards (if he wants to learn, you have to play a decent game to inspire him lol). The 3♣ fit bid on a queen-high suit must be some kind of halloween rant ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 3♠ seems pretty much normal. Not the right texture and playing strength to cue. Pass is only an option if pard can't play cards and does not want to learn to play cards (if he wants to learn, you have to play a decent game to inspire him lol). The 3♣ fit bid on a queen-high suit must be some kind of halloween rant B) FWIW, the reason to the 3♣ fit bid, if it makes sense, is to flag partner in on the unknown. Opener has an unknown minor. From our perspective, that minor is likely diamonds. Bidding 3♣ as a fit-bid lets partner know that Opener probably has diamonds. Partner then can judge what the hand seems to be doing better. The downside to that, as others have said, is that it also lets RHO know what is going on. Thus, IMO, this unique situation makes a 3♣ call not reallty rise or fall as to merits on the quality of the club suit. Rather, it rises or falls on whether letting partner and RHO know what is happening benefits us or them more, and whether any possible conclusion that the gain is ours outweighs any net benefit we may have if the secret is maintained. In other words, if partner's gain outweighs RHO's gain when everyone knows the secret, how much is that advantage? Then, if our side is better positioned than their side with the secret maintained, how much is that advantage? Which of these two advantages, if both have advantages, is stronger? I'm not sure what the respective values are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Wow, the young people these days! Now a 5431-hand with a fit for partner (and partner likely to have shortness opposite my weak 4-card suit) has become "flat"! When I was young, you had to be 4333 with xxx trumps to use this word... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 26, 2009 Report Share Posted September 26, 2009 Wow, the young people these days! Now a 5431-hand with a fit for partner (and partner likely to have shortness opposite my weak 4-card suit) has become "flat"! When I was young, you had to be 4333 with xxx trumps to use this word...bland -- average -- 4333 --- deflated --- level --apartment --colorless ---boring --horizontal, etc also frequently used to describe my learning curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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