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Is pass an option? Matchpoints, lousy spades (RHO has 4 over partner), 2 heart losers, maybe club losers, you may not be able to ruff diamonds at all if they switch to trumps, no entries to my clubs.

 

I guess it depends on what your requirements are to overcall the open, but my partners' hands may not be strong. KQxxx, xx, QJxx, Ax is consistent with partner's and RHO's bidding, and 3 is going off.

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we deal at game all mp's: Jxx Jxxx A Qxxxx

p-2*-2-p

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2 is hearts and a minor, at least 5-4.

IMO

  • 3 = 10 -- Raise to 3+ with defence: descriptive and co-operative :)
  • 3 = 8 -- Pre-emptive but understates the offensive and defensive potential :huh:
  • 4 = 6 -- more pre-emptive but too much defence, too few spades and insufficient power :(
  • 3 = 5 -- Kenrexford's passed-hand fit non-jump. An objection to this bid is that it allows sophisticated opponents to discover their minor (mis)fit at a low level. A sensible treatment for your RHO is that he doubles your 3 as pass or correct :)
  • _P = 3 -- Timorous. Could be right but such lack of faith undermines partner's confidence ;)

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3 is an option.  Fit-bid.

Fit bid ? ...as in fit-showing-jump (FSJ)? ... 3 is not a jump here.

 

[ Jdonn's Advancer example hand might be worth a 4C! FSJ ].

 

Or are you saying, " the only reason for a passed hand to bid a new suit ( non-jump ) is that it also shows 'tolerance' for partner's suit ." ??

As a passed hand, bidding 3 here should show at least tolerence for partner's suit, so I assume this is what he is talking about here... I don't think it's anywhere near standard to treat 3 as a "Fit"-Non-Jump, however I do believe that it should be a "Tolerance"-Non-Jump.

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Strange comments. Of course, 3 is not a "jit-showing jump," as it is not a jump. That's why I did not call it a "fit-showing jump" but rather a "fit bid."

 

I also did not say it was the best option. Just that it was an option. Of course, to be an option, it must be discussed, at least as a meta-agreement. I would have this meta-agreement, personally, at least in the sense of forcing one round. Tolerance or better; ability to handle a raise of clubs.

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As a passed hand, bidding 3 here should show at least tolerence for partner's suit, ...

Why?

 

Partner can have a decent hand without great spades when he bids 2 over 2 so there could be ample values for game even though you couldn't open and/or 2 may be a terrible spot. Eg QJ10xx Kxx Axx Ax opposite x xxx Kxx KQxxxx and both hands could be better than that.

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OK the envelope please

 

Yes, I am insane!

 

I passed!

 

Partner justified my pessimism with some very bad declarer play (but at the time of my decision I was not aware of the fact that his declarer play is below club average), there was 1 620, 4 +140s 2 -100s (in 4S) along our +110 . I thought it was a hand too flat with bad honor placement. After the fact I started wondering whether or not I was insane. Thanks for answering.

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