dropping 1/1

[bill1157]

I think pass is ok with this hand, since you could bid 2♣ if the opponents come in with 1NT. Partner should be able to read you for 3 spades (a support pass?)

 

Bill

[Quantumcat]

Raising says if you have a max, we can make game, since you pass when game is impossible. If responder has a max with four spades, he bids 3NT, which you can correct if you have four.

[the hog]

"Raising says if you have a max, we can make game"

 

No it does not. Raising means let us up the ante and not give the opps a free run.

[jmcw]

Raising says if you have a max, we can make game, since you pass when game is impossible. If responder has a max with four spades, he bids 3NT, which you can correct if you have four.

A raise shows a fit. Period!

What your suggesting here makes no sense to me

[jvage]

I think inexperienced players generally pass too often in this position, thinking that since partner has passed no game is possible with their minimum. With 3-cardsupport you may sometimes pass with a minimum opening (I agree with the majority, and would bid 2♠ on the original deal), but rarely ever with 4. This is both to show our fit to partner (making it easier if opponents compete), to keep the opponents out of the bidding and because the fourth trump makes our own game more likely/possible. I would however never expect 3NT from partner, with a balanced maximum for an opening pass 2NT would be more than enough, with 10/11 and 4333 pass would be the normal action.

[vuroth]

I admit, I'm surprised by all of this. I would have thought that opponents would be more likely to balance opposite a known fit (raising 1♠ to 2♠), than opposite a suspected misfit (1NT, or passing 1♠).

[neilkaz]

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P (P) 1♣ (P)

1♠ (P) P[/hv]

 

This auction was posted as part of another thread (laws and rulings), one of the comments was

How much I hate dropping 1/1 cannot be described in words

Please elaborate.

Lets say responder has 11 HCP and 5♠. Many people who aren't playing a forcing club system that caters to lighter openings, would pass...

 

♠ KQxxx

♥ xxx

♦ Jx

♣ AJx

 

where you have good play for game.

 

I also hate dropping 1/1 and IMHO, it is clearly easier for the opps to come in at the 2 level than at the 3 level over 2♠.

 

The only time I drop a 1/1 is if I was really light for my opening or response.