Responding to T/O of high-level preempts

[sathyab]

Some aspects of this topic were discussed a while ago here

 

The summary of that discussion was that responder should pass balanced hands of moderate strength and stretch to bring two suits into the picture whenever possible.

 

I was watching the following hand recently. Let's assume that you passed over 4♥ first. Partner doubles again. And it's your call now.

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sjt6ha7dqjt64c765]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(2h)- X - (4h) - p - (p)- X - (p)- ?[/hv]

[dicklont]

I lead ♥A, expecting +500 or +800.

Oops, not my lead.

I suppose partner holds one heart and leads it.

With a void and his very good hand he would find another call than the second double.

[gnasher]

The two auctions are somewhat different.

 

In the old thread, the doubler's first chance to act was at the four level. He might double on a nice-looking 13-count, and the lack of other options means that he can have quite a variety of shapes.

 

On this sequence, the doubler has doubled at the two level and again at the four level. That means that his minimum is rather higher. He is also more likely to have a pure takeout double, because he chose to double rather than overcall 2NT or a suit.

 

On this hand, I bid 5♦, but I think it fairly close. However, in neither auction do I think that balanced hands should always pass.

[Fluffy]

partner would also double with void.

 

We are far away from slam, our options are pass and 5♦.

 

Balanced hand asks for a pass, but this diamond suit has high ODR by itself.

 

IMO making 5♦ has 75% chances at least, with the bonus that it might be raised to a making 6 althou very hardly.

 

passing I Expect to make 4-6 tricks.

 

 

 

So passing I expect an average score of around +300, bidding 5♦ probably the same, but 5♦ might gather a nice suprise in the form of 5♥X or 6♦.

 

I prefer to bid 5♦.

[effervesce]

I'm a 5♦ bidder- I'm thinking its around 90% to make, while 4♥ is probably +300. Pard has a rock crusher to make a 2nd takeout double on the 4 lvl.

[OleBerg]

5♦.

 

The first two words of the phrase "take-out-double" contains a subtle clue to how it should be treated.

 

Of course not always the case, but here there is absolutely no reason to be an "unlucky expert".

[pooltuna]

Some aspects of this topic were discussed a while ago here

 

The summary of that discussion was that responder should pass balanced hands of moderate strength and stretch to bring two suits into the picture whenever possible.

 

I was watching the following hand recently. Let's assume that you passed over 4♥ first. Partner doubles again. And it's your call now.

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sjt6ha7dqjt64c765]133|100|Scoring: IMP

(2h)- X - (4h) - p - (p)- X - (p)- ?[/hv]

I'm a defender

[sathyab]

Even a significant number of folks that believe that balanced hands should pass would probably bid 5♦ here. But they'd probably be more inclined to pass with:

 

[hv=d=w&v=n&s=sjxxhxxdqjxxxckxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] which wouldn't do too well either.

 

The 5♦ bidders come out ahead here, way ahead, for the lay-out was:

[hv=d=w&v=n&n=sakq9h6dak873cat9&w=s3hkqj952d52cj843&e=s87542ht843d9ckq2&s=sjt6ha7dqjt64c765]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

From the final quarter of the recent Bermuda Bowl. Identical auction at both tables. Both South's bid 5♦ and were raised to 6♦.

[the hog]

I lead ♥A, expecting +500 or +800.

Oops, not my lead.

I suppose partner holds one heart and leads it.

With a void and his very good hand he would find another call than the second double.

Why?