dcohio Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 South holds: [hv=d=e&v=n&s=s6hakqt2dackt8764]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv] Playing fairly vanilla Standard american. 4NT = standard blackwood action is passed to you, 1♥ or 1♣? If the bidding were to go: (Pass)-1♥-(1♠)-2♣(2♠) -? Now what is your call? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I have the minority view to open 1 Club with thse hands, but I guess the majority let the major suit rule. Afer 2 Club I would bid 4 Club, RCKB for me, or forcing with clubs for the rest of the world. If I have just one bid, I would try 6 clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 1♣ is the normal opening on this hand. After your 1♥ opening and a 2♣ response, with your methods you just bid ordinary Blackwood, playing 5♣ opposite no Aces, 6♣ opposite 1 Ace, and 7♣ opposite 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I have the minority view to open 1 Club with thse hands, but I guess the majority let the major suit rule.Agree on Blackwood now, obviously. I guess you are used to being in the minority, but this time you are part of the big majority. :) This is a "open 1♣, bid hearts, rebid hearts"-hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 obvious 1♥ opening, 5 card major system isn't it? :) agree with 655321 on the follow ups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 1♣ opening all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 nothing "obvious" about opening your shorter suit when you have reverse strength. 1C, then after pard, on this hand, bids some number of clubs, whatever your style is, bid whatever asks for KC for Clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcohio Posted September 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Thanks everyone. For some reason, out of 11 pairs, I was the only one who got to 6♣ here. Most pairs ended up in 4♥, with a couple 5♣ thrown in. [hv=d=e&v=n&n=sj872h95dkq8caq53&w=sak943hj73dj62cj9&e=sqt5h864dt97543c2&s=s6hakqt2dackt8764]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] After my pd bid 2♣, I just bid blackwood followed by 6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I also got to 6♣ here..different auction though 1♣ (16+, forcing) - 1NT (GF balanced, 8-13)2♥ (5+ cards) - 3NT6♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 1♣ is normal with this shape and enough for a reverse. It will be almost impossible to show 5=6 if you start 1♥ unless you have some specialized agreement. But it is frequently possible to show 5=6 by later bidding and rebidding your hearts if you open 1♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Tyler it is very easy to reach if you ignore opponent's overcalls, but I bet the 1♣ opener is gonna have to show his first suit at the 4 level against decent opposition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 I open 1♣, then if I had opened 1♥, 4♣ now which should be minorwood... Otherwise 4NT. If partner shows no aces, 5♣. 1 ace, 6♣. 2 aces, 7♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 ... 4♣ now which should be minorwood... Why? This seems to be a very limited use convention. Its fine when you have the values for slam and only need to know about key-cards but it seems to me there are many more hands that are: 1. Have a void and are only invitational to slam so not suitable for exclusion 2. Otherwise Invitational to slam 3. Lacking control somewhere which are suitable for a natural forcing 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Given the shape AND strength for a Reverse, you open 1C on this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 Tyler it is very easy to reach if you ignore opponent's overcalls, but I bet the 1♣ opener is gonna have to show his first suit at the 4 level against decent opposition. At our table (this hand is from the ACBL Instant Matchpoint game, for anyone that hasn't guessed), we didn't get any interference. Even without I think it's almost obvious to blast 6♣ presuming north has some way of showing a balanced hands with values. It was easier in my case because I know partner has exactly xx of ♥ and at least 3 clubs, but it's really hard to construct hands opposite which 6♣ isn't at least a good shot, if not laydown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 10, 2009 Report Share Posted September 10, 2009 ah lol sorry, missunderstood your post :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 obvious 1♥ opening, 5 card major system isn't it? :P agree with 655321 on the follow ups Agree with Fluffy of course. The game is Majors. You need to ask yourself if you are happy to hide a 5 card H suit if 4S gets back around to you. In many 2/1 variants not to open 1M is to deny a 5 card Major. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 ok, I thought 1c wtp..... I grant I do not know many 2/1 systems that deny a 5 card major with one of a minor opening. As other posters mentioned with reverse hcp.....just open minor.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 ok, I thought 1c wtp..... I grant I do not know many 2/1 systems that deny a 5 card major with one of a minor opening. As other posters mentioned with reverse hcp.....just open minor.... Don't you Mike? I am sure if you think about it that you do. Steve Robinson's ideas have often been discussed on this forum. Furthermore virtually all Polish Club systems apart from Strefa, are based on a 2/1 gf structure. In every single one I have ever come across opening 1D denies a 5M. (I don't mention 1C for obvious reasons). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 ok, I thought 1c wtp..... I grant I do not know many 2/1 systems that deny a 5 card major with one of a minor opening. As other posters mentioned with reverse hcp.....just open minor.... Don't you Mike? I am sure if you think about it that you do. Steve Robinson's ideas have often been discussed on this forum. Furthermore virtually all Polish Club systems apart from Strefa, are based on a 2/1 gf structure. In every single one I have ever come across opening 1D denies a 5M. (I don't mention 1C for obvious reasons). no...I never heard of this but ok... 1c deny 5 card major...no ....I have not heard this... I note only you post this so far ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 11, 2009 Report Share Posted September 11, 2009 [hv=n=saxxhxxxdxxcajxxx&w=skqxxxhjxxxdkqxcx&e=sjtxxhxdjtxxxxxcq&s=sxhakqtxdacktxxxx]399|300|[/hv] Will apologize for missing heart fit when we get back to our teammates with 7c=, and will promise never to open 1c again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmcw Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 obvious 1♥ opening, 5 card major system isn't it? :) NOT. I'm with the minority, happy to open 1♣. Do not consider 1♥ as obvious, or standard. In no way does a minor suit opening deny a 5 card card major it just doesn't come up very often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 13, 2009 Report Share Posted September 13, 2009 [hv=n=saxxhxxxdxxcajxxx&w=skqxxxhjxxxdkqxcx&e=sjtxxhxdjtxxxxxcq&s=sxhakqtxdacktxxxx]399|300|[/hv] Will apologize for missing heart fit when we get back to our teammates with 7c=, and will promise never to open 1c again. I can construct hands with 5 hearts in dummy as well with opponents playing 4♠ after you open 1♣. And guess what? they are much more likelly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted September 14, 2009 Report Share Posted September 14, 2009 If the diamond ace were a spot card, I would open 1H. This hand, clearly and obviously 1C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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