A strong club overcalled sequence

[Chamaco]

Hi all, a hand from a swiss team tourney I played yesterday

 

Playing Precision, I picked up, none vuln, the following hand

 

 

IMPS, None vuln

AQT862-Jx-AKx-K

 

1♣-(1♥)-2♣-2♠

?

 

2♣ by my pard shows 8+ hcp and a 5+ card suit.

 

Question 1

 

In this sequence, is X penalty or should I simply pass ?

If the latter case was true, after

pass-pass-pass- Double

Is the double by pard penalty or takeout (I will tranform it anyway).

 

Question 2

 

The complete bidding was

 

1♣-(1♥)-2♣-2♠

pass-pass-Double-3H

Double-all pass

 

I doubled because I was staring of an expected misfit hand (shortness in clubs, length in RHO suit)

 

But after the lead, dummy came down with something like:

 

xx- QT98x-xxx-xxx

 

RHO had psyched spades, and while 3H was -2 doubled, we had 6 spades laydown with chances of 7.

 

Which ois the best policy to get out of the ttraps set by a psyching opponent here ?

 

Thanks !

[Dwayne]

Given you're in a game-forcing sequence then X by you should be for penalties.

 

But I don't understand why you would double 3H for penalties? What is your source of tricks?

 

In my experience the best way to get out of traps set by psyching opponents (if you're sure they're psyching of course) is to make a Tasmanian asking bid.

 

Dwayneoffski.

(with tongue firmly planted in cheek).

[Chamaco]

Given you're in a game-forcing sequence then X by you should be for penalties.

 

But I don't understand why you would double 3H for penalties? What is your source of tricks?

 

In my experience the best way to get out of traps set by psyching opponents (if you're sure they're psyching of course) is to make a Tasmanian asking bid.

 

Dwayneoffski.

(with tongue firmly planted in cheek).

My source of tricks ?

Well, not suspecting a psyche, I was not worried of MY source of tricks, but of THEIRS: pard has set a gam,e force, I am in misfit withg clubs, pard is in misfit with me in spades (not suspecting the psyche). Pard must have hearts, and they will have trouble to score tricks.

 

if RHO has really spades, 3H doubled would be a slaughter :P

Unfortunately, he did not... :P

 

However, my point was:

1) the "standard" precision meaning of my double and of my pard in this specific sequence

2) strategy to uncover such psyches.

 

BTW: what is a "Tasmanian asking bid" ? :)

[helene_t]

RHO obviously didn't want to play in spades, but 2♠ could be some kind of fitbid, in which case you at least know that the finese will succeed. Couldn't you bid 3♠ natural over 3♥?

 

Tasmanian Asking Bids must be about possible diabolic overcalls, I suppose :)

[1eyedjack]

Play the same meaning of double by both sides of the table

If pass is forcing, then play double for penalties.

Pass is forcing, so double 2S.

You should I think suspect a psyche. It is a classic position for psyching and your Spade holding enhances that likelihood.

When he pulls back to 3H, the psyche is almost guaranteed. especially as (in this case) he pulls it before you have had a chance to convert the double.

 

Put it down to experience in detecting psyches. This one you really should have detected.

[mikestar]

The classic way of exposing a psyche of this type is to double for penalites then bid the suit yourself when they run.

 

So:

 

1C-(1H)-2C-(2S)

X-(P)-P-(3H)

3S

 

and partner should know what to do.

[Chamaco]

Thanks for your responses.

I am not very experienced in general, but experience in playing vs psyches is even less, so comments were useful.

 

Also, if I interpret correctly, there seems to be agreement on the fact that my double of 2 spades should be penalty and not takeout.

 

Thanks again :unsure:

[whereagles]

1. You have 12 cards :unsure:

 

2. 2♠ is obviously a psyche. RHO cannot have any sort of spade suit, so you should just bid 3♠.

 

3. I consider double a wrong bid here, even if it is penalty. It wastes precious time when you have a much better and descriptive bid available.

[the hog]

The following is a Tasmanian Asking Bid

 

1N (P) 2D

 

Q. "What is 2D?"

A. "Transfer to H."

Q. "So it does not show D then?"

A. "No"

"Ok. If it does not show D. I pass"

[Free]

2♠ seems like a clear psych, and if he runs to ♥ then it's a sure psych. So you should bid 3♠ right after your opps bid 3♥. Never forget opps psych like hell opposite a strong ♣ (I myself don't, but we have a nice system :unsure: )

[mishovnbg]

Hi Chamako!

 

Unlike most of posters I use to play and played vs psyches regulary. If you don't like "Tasmanian Asking Bid", which is not acceptable by Law, unlike psyches, you need to have way to discover them. Your way must be with relation with your other competitive structure.

 

If you play with take out doubles, you double an 2♠ must be still take out, not penalty, with ♠ you must pass and bid them on your p rebid, thanks it is forcing situation.

 

If you play like me optional doubles, then you can dbl and rebid that suit, because you already show some cards there.

 

Best way probably in such situations is probably Garozzo 2/3 double and pass with take out or penalty hands, rebidding later suit if need.

 

Misho