cnszsun Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sxxxhakqxdkqxcakx]133|100|Scoring: IMP2♦-ps-2N-ps3♦-ps-?? 2♦=weak 23♦=min,no short suit[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 i'm not bidding 3 no, they're leading through partner's hoped for spade stopper. If he has a good spade stop then his diamonds must be terrible! ♠QJx with ♦Axxxxx I guess could be described as a minimum but even with that hand 5♦ will be OK. As opposed to that we have Kx of spades or xx or diamonds with no ace (admittedly unlikely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 I would try 3♥ to involve partner a bit more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=n&s=sxxxhakqxdkqxcakx]133|100|Scoring: IMP2♦-ps-2N-ps3♦-ps-?? 2♦=weak 23♦=min,no short suit[/hv] 5♦; You have 11 tricks in 6♦, 3♥, & 2♣. Partner is a favorite to have only 2♠ as 2362 and 2263 combined should be more probable than 3262. Perhaps my view is colored by my expectation after 2NT that he has no outside K or A so I do not expect Jxx Qx JT9xxx Qx or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 Agree with pooltuna's reasoning that 5♦ is better, provided partner is guaranteed to have 6 diamonds. 3NT if not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Partner denied a singleton so I am bidding 3NT and expecting spades 4-4. They can cash four spades and we get the rest. If we don't get the rest when spades are 4-4, then we were not going to make 5D either. Also, they might not lead spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bende Posted September 7, 2009 Report Share Posted September 7, 2009 Partner denied a singleton so I am bidding 3NT and expecting spades 4-4. They can cash four spades and we get the rest. If we don't get the rest when spades are 4-4, then we were not going to make 5D either. Also, they might not lead spades. Why do we expect spades to be 4-4? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 If he has a good spade stop then his diamonds must be terrible! ♠QJx with ♦Axxxxx ....I think we could tell that simply by looking at our own diamond holding!! :) 5♦; You have 11 tricks in 6♦, 3♥, & 2♣. Maybe, but then again, they may be able to cash 3 spades first. Partner denied a singleton so I am bidding 3NT and expecting spades 4-4. They can cash four spades and we get the rest. If we don't get the rest when spades are 4-4, then we were not going to make 5D either. Also, they might not lead spades. Why do we expect spades to be 4-4?Wishful thinking? I think this is the wrong way to approach the problem. If spades are 4-4, 5D will make whenever 3N does, for the same score at IMP's, so our concern really should be what happens when spades are not 4-4. Ok, if diamonds are 4-0, and partner has the club Q and the diamond Ace, we would have 9 tricks in NT and 5D will go down, however, this is too specific to worry about, imo. If a spade is not led (against either contract), both 3N and 5D will again likely make, regardless of how spades break, so this isn't a consideration either. However, 5D gains when partner holds two small spades, spades are not 4-4 and a spade IS led. This leads me to choose 5D over 3N. jmoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Obviously if partner has a doubleton spade we would all bid 5D (I hope!). The reason to think about playing 3N is the times that partner has three spades and you can lose the first 3 whereas you will make 3N usually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Obviously if partner has a doubleton spade we would all bid 5D (I hope!). The reason to think about playing 3N is the times that partner has three spades and you can lose the first 3 whereas you will make 3N usually. Yeah, but a doubleton spade seems just so much more likely than three of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 Obviously if partner has a doubleton spade we would all bid 5D (I hope!). The reason to think about playing 3N is the times that partner has three spades and you can lose the first 3 whereas you will make 3N usually. Yeah, but a doubleton spade seems just so much more likely than three of them. Agreed, not saying I would bid 3N, I just thought it was LOL that the discussion about bidding 3N vs 5D all assumed partner had a doubleton spade. I think bidding 3S would be kind of sexy to deflect the spade lead against 5D though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 5♦. Although I like the idea of either 3♥ to involve partner a bit, or 3♠ to deflect a ♠ lead, I guess I'd probably just blast it at the table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted September 9, 2009 Report Share Posted September 9, 2009 I think bidding 3S would be kind of sexy to deflect the spade lead against 5D though. 3♠ is natural here, isn't it? If partner raises and you go back to 5♦, everyone will know 3♠ was a psyche. And if he doesn't raise you don't mind a spade lead anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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