Hanoi5 Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Ok, so important tournaments lately have been using bridgemates and similar devices to calculate results quicker. As usual machines are built and made for perfection but there will always be the human mistake present. I've been the coach/captain of two teams with those conditions and we always check our results manually after finishing a match. There've been msitakes. Are we the only ones that check manually? I'm sure we're not but, are there people who doesn't bother to check? I believe it's not a good policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 I don't see that technology alleviates the need to check. Equally I don't see that lack of technology alleviates the need to check either. I do quite a lot of the scoring (manually into a scoring program) for my local club. I put in the contract, by and tricks for all boards and then double check that the scores in the program match those on the traveller - often I've made a mistake in the data entry which gets picked up on the double check - but one day I'll miss one. Then there are the errors I can't spot - like someone writes (or appears to have written) 1NT, N, 5 and enters 100 in the NS column. Later some "helpful" soul on seeing that this is impossible, scribbles out (in the same colour pen) the 100 in the NS column and writes it in the EW column. The board happens to be neither side vul - so there is no error that I can detect. Later I get a polite but slightly irate phone call saying it was West that was 2 down in 1NT. On scrutiny of the traveller with a magnifying glass I can just see that the original "N" was a "W" written very indistinctly. In that case obviously someone was checking - but how many more things like that happen where nobody checked their card? And this was all manual "error". Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 In my experience international players are hopeless with bridgemates and technology. Even finding the right table is beyond some. Luckily most of them seem able to score up manually, so I encourage them to do so for a multitude of reasons! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barmar Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Nick, you need to train your players to call the director when they think there's a mistake on the traveler, rather than just make the "obvious" correction themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 There are times when I'll get three or four calls like that in the same session. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy69 Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Later some "helpful" soul on seeing that this is impossible, scribbles out (in the same colour pen) the 100 in the NS column and writes it in the EW column Irrespective of the nature of the change or the motive for it, players should be aware that this is a major breach and fined if they do this. The TD must be called before any change is made to a traveller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Later some "helpful" soul on seeing that this is impossible, scribbles out (in the same colour pen) the 100 in the NS column and writes it in the EW column Irrespective of the nature of the change or the motive for it, players should be aware that this is a major breach and fined if they do this. The TD must be called before any change is made to a traveller. Fined?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy69 Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Yes, fined some matchpoints for making an illicit change to a score from another table. For all they know the declarer rather than the score is wrong in the hypothetical example and they have no business making any decision about who is right or wrong. They should point out the error to the director. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Later some "helpful" soul on seeing that this is impossible, scribbles out (in the same colour pen) the 100 in the NS column and writes it in the EW column Irrespective of the nature of the change or the motive for it, players should be aware that this is a major breach and fined if they do this. The TD must be called before any change is made to a traveller. Er - yes. I know what should happen - and I also know it isn't going to happen at 5 past midnight after everyone else has gone to bed while I'm scoring at home. I did make with a bit of lecture at the start of the next session after this one - things have improved a little. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy69 Posted September 12, 2009 Report Share Posted September 12, 2009 Er - yes. I know what should happen - and I also know it isn't going to happen at 5 past midnight after everyone else has gone to bed while I'm scoring at home. Of course. Wait until about 2.30a.m. and then call the offending pair to inform them of their fine. Should make them think twice in future. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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