jillybean Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sxhkxdtxcaqj98742]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♦) ?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sxhkxdtxcaqj98742]133|100|Scoring: MP(1♦) ?[/hv] 2c Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 My love of 4m pre-empts persuades me to bid 4♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 4♣ with only three major suit cards I want to make it as difficult as possible for the opponents to get to a potential major suit contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 4 ♣ - eight card suit, 4. level. Sometimes bridge is easy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 This actually looks like a 4♣ bid... unlike some of the others I've seen... :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 4♣. My new favourite preempt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliebol Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 4♣ they aint in 4 major yet and 5 ♣ is for that reason too much maybe i miss 3nt my way so be it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 <Sarcasm on> Having overcalled 2♣ in the other thread on:[hv=s=s1097hj82dkcak9432]133|100|[/hv] I don't see how I can possibly bid anything other than 2♣ now that the heart King is actually guarded AND I also have two more trumps!!! This is a MUCH better overcall!!! </sarcasm off> 3♣ with the hand above (from the other thread). 5♣ with this hand. 4♣ is for wimps. After all, it's only one zero and the likelihood of them having game or slam in a major is simply too high. (Ok, so maybe the sarcasm wasn't totally off) :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 4♣ is normal, but I don't mind 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 <Sarcasm on> Having overcalled 2♣ in the other thread on:[hv=s=s1097hj82dkcak9432 i don't see how i can possibly bid anything other than 2♣ now that the heart king is actually guarded and i also have two more trumps!!! this is a much better overcall!!! </sarcasm off> 3♣ with the hand above (from the other thread). 5♣ with this hand. 4♣ is for wimps. after all, it's only one zero and the likelihood of them having game or slam in a major is simply too high. (ok, so maybe the sarcasm wasn't totally off) http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/</sarcasm off>the 2♣ overcaller dealer: ????? vul: ???? scoring: unknown]133|100| ♠ 1097 ♥ J82 ♦ K ♣ AK9432 [/hv] was my partner. Suggesting, albeit sarcastically, that there is any correlation between the two is not helpful. We obviously do not think alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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aguahombre Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Actually, JB, correlating your partner's 2C overcall on the earlier string with this question is helpful. If you approve of pard's first 2C overcall, I believe you had better bid 5C, not 4(and certainly not 2C) with this one. Most did not approve of 2C with the previous, and that makes their choice of 4C reasonable here.. It is important that you and your pard agree on the values for various calls, since they affect what happens when those calls are not chosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Suggesting, albeit sarcastically, that there is any correlation between the two is not helpful. We obviously do not think alike. Let me rephrase it in a less frivolous manner then. If you and your partner do not agree on what kind of hands constitute an overcall and which hands are a preempt, then you are unlikely to ever have any sort of compatible partnership. You will continually be frustrated by the differences of opinion since you will never have any idea of what kind of random hand is being bid on from the other side of the table. In the other thread, it was not the 3♣ call that created the problem, it was the 2♣ overcall. If your partner thinks that he can hold that hand one time, and then the partnership agrees to treat this hand as a preempt, the two of you will never be on the same page. This hand, while 4♣ or 5♣ is debatable, is much closer to a simple overcall than the other hand was. And that is the point I was trying to make. Take it for what its worth. That and a dollar might buy you a soda. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted September 4, 2009 Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 5♣, I'm afraid jilly will make fun of me if I don't bid high enough :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2009 Suggesting, albeit sarcastically, that there is any correlation between the two is not helpful. We obviously do not think alike. Let me rephrase it in a less frivolous manner then. If you and your partner do not agree on what kind of hands constitute an overcall and which hands are a preempt, then you are unlikely to ever have any sort of compatible partnership. You will continually be frustated by the differences of opinion since you will never have any idea of what kind of random hand is being bid on from the other side of the table. In the other thread, it was not the 3♣ call that created the problem, it was the 2♣ overcall. If your partner thinks that he can hold that hand one time, and then the partnership agrees to treat this hand as a preempt, the two of you will never be on the same page. This hand, while 4♣ or 5♣ is debatable, is much closer to a simple overcall than the other hand was. And that is the point I was trying to make. Take it for what its worth. That and a dollar might buy you a soda. :) Ok, I dont have a serious/regular partnership to develop agreements at this level. Youre right, I am continually frustrated and spinning my wheels trying to make sense of these sequences that end badly. Oh well, more time to work on my play :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 8, 2009 Report Share Posted September 8, 2009 4♣ for me..as this looks like a preempt when I have 8 of them and I am actually allowed to have some playing strength when I preempt high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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