rduran1216 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skq3h1052d8532ckq3]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Auction goes pass, pass, 1D, x, pass, ? What do you say with my hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1N. Frankly I expect unanimity around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1N. Frankly I expect unanimity around here. not only that but everybody agreeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1N. Frankly I expect unanimity around here. 1N but I expect someone will insist on a real stop and prefer 1♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1No brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1NT WTP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 If this is an awful choice for you, your choice should be: Change your system, so that 1 NT does not show a stopper. You do not often need one for ONE NT. Even if they can cash 6 diamonds you can still make your contract. Develop a later bidding where partner can ask for a real stopper and what to do after preempts and doubles. After you did, you have no more awful choice, you simply bid 1 NT like anybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 Well said Roland. Having stoppers for NT was one of the first, "must never be ignored", rules I learned and one of the hardest to forget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=skq3h1052d8532ckq3]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Auction goes pass, pass, 1D, x, pass, ? What do you say with my hand? Well the choices appear to be 1♥, 1♠, 1NT. The problem with the first 2 is they underbid your hand strength because of your shape. The 1NT bid does not have a stopper but with 4 cards in the suit I would use it over the first 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1NT. The closest other option would be 2♦. And it's not close. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 1NT. Anything else is so distant as a second choice that those need not be even considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top.others mentioned that an alert partner will bid, for instance, 2D instead of 2NT unless he, himself, has a diamond stopper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top. (1d)=x=p=1ntp=2h=p=? I will try 4h now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top. (1d)=x=p=1ntp=2h=p=? I will try 4h now.And I think that is closer to an underbid than an overbid. After bidding 4♥ I would feel sure that I can write the '4' (as in 420, 450, 480) already on my score card. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted September 2, 2009 Report Share Posted September 2, 2009 since op didnt mention that 4H is cold, we will assume pard should have bid 1H the fist time, and made a bad, but lucky 2H removal --coupled with an EXTREMELY lucky pass by you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top. So you then bid 4H? Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rduran1216 Posted September 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top. So you then bid 4H? Yes? well im posting in this thread with retroactive goggles. In the actual deal, since our agreement was 1NT guarenteed stop, I bid 2D and then passed after my partner bid 2H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H. The stopper rule is less important in this situation, but I'd hate for my partner to take his 15pts and bid 2NT to invite, where we lose 5 diamonds off the top. So you then bid 4H? Yes? well im posting in this thread with retroactive goggles. In the actual deal, since our agreement was 1NT guarenteed stop, I bid 2D and then passed after my partner bid 2H I understand, over the decades Jeff R of BW has been a huge advocate that: 1y=p=p=1nt does not promise a stopper in Y so: as you read the forum you will see where jump shifts and strong reverses do not even 100% promise a real suit. :) 1y=x=p=1nt .....showing 100% a stopper goes out the window. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H.So you then bid 4H? Yes? So if partner does have, say, Axxx Qxxxx - Axxx, should he: A. Bid 1H originally instead of doubleB. Pass 1NTC. Accept -100 in 4H instead of +110 in 2H I don't know the answer but it seems playable that a weak distributional doubler can pull 1NT and a hand too good to overcall can cue or jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 my partner turned out void in diamonds, and I got pulled out of 1NT into 2H.So you then bid 4H? Yes? So if partner does have, say, Axxx Qxxxx - Axxx, should he: A. Bid 1H originally instead of doubleB. Pass 1NTC. Accept -100 in 4H instead of +110 in 2H I don't know the answer but it seems playable that a weak distributional doubler can pull 1NT and a hand too good to overcall can cue or jump. i bid 1h forseeing the issue if pard bids 1nt, otoh if I choose x and pard bids 1nt I pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I don't know the answer but it seems playable that a weak distributional doubler can pull 1NT and a hand too good to overcall can cue or jump.You may not know you know the answer, but you do know the answer :) Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 3, 2009 Report Share Posted September 3, 2009 I don't know the answer but it seems playable that a weak distributional doubler can pull 1NT and a hand too good to overcall can cue or jump.You may not know you know the answer, but you do know the answer :) Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com In which case with the given responding hand a 3H call is obvious. Every honour card is working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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