7.33

[Cascade]

Played 24 boards of teams - 2 x 12 board matches.

 

Maybe it is not really a record but I sat north all night and on the printout summary it calculated that north had an average of 7.33 HCP for the 24 boards.

 

An interesting result in one of the other matches:

 

3NT E = +600 tied the board with 3NT S -6 -600 at the other table. Note on defense they needed an extra trick to get the same score. I suppose that is the penalty for not doubling.

[jillybean]

dummy but smart hand records!

[kenrexford]

I'm not sure about at IMP scoring, but at MP scoring I like having a lot of below-average hands. It seems that the others in my seat snooze when that happens, and there is a lot to be done with weaker hands. So, I seem to score well at MP when that happens.

[NickRW]

Actually, I think the best luck of the cards (if you're a stronger pair) is to get the weak hands when a weak pair comes to your table - they have more decisions to make and will generally get some wrong, probably giving you a good result for little work.

 

However, you need to get good cards when a stronger pair arrives at the table - because if they have good cards they will generally do better than the other weak pairs with such hands. Even though the stronger pair will take all they are due in defence it will not help them a lot if you're in the right contract and a significant number of the field isn't.

[Fluffy]

I'm not sure about at IMP scoring, but at MP scoring I like having a lot of below-average hands. It seems that the others in my seat snooze when that happens, and there is a lot to be done with weaker hands. So, I seem to score well at MP when that happens.

Fepends on the field, I have got a season of 43% just sitting there watching how the opponents bid game, make overtrick and score their 75%.

 

Defending is also a lot more exausting than being dummy, and I think more than card playing as well.

[mikegill]

My personal record is 7.25 for 24 boards. And I assure you it was no fun.

[kenrexford]

I'm not sure about at IMP scoring, but at MP scoring I like having a lot of below-average hands.  It seems that the others in my seat snooze when that happens, and there is a lot to be done with weaker hands.  So, I seem to score well at MP when that happens.

Fepends on the field, I have got a season of 43% just sitting there watching how the opponents bid game, make overtrick and score their 75%.

 

Defending is also a lot more exausting than being dummy, and I think more than card playing as well.

This can very much happen. However, keep a couple of things in mind.

 

First, weakish hands allow you to defend more often, as you said. At MP, this is a good thing if you are a good defender, have a partner who defends well, and can maintain composure.

 

Second, weakish hands often allow you to make moves others might miss, like sticking in a risky lead-director, tactical raises in the right way, fit-showing bids, and the like. Most people have no clue about that part of bidding, and you can gain a lot if you know this area of bridge better than the field.

 

Third, when you get good hands, composure bridge keeps you sane and ready. A frustrated person, who gets upset because of not having good hands, somehow feels like this is their turn and act stupidly. There is nothing like getting a good score for opting a lucrative penalty double when you finally got a real hand, rather than overbidding and missing that chance. Or, placing the contract on partner's side rightly when you suspect the field will be greedy to finally play one.

 

In other words, more work is good.

[mtvesuvius]

I think I had a 7.12 session a few months back, it was miserable, but we managed 59% on defense.

[Fluffy]

I sitll say the same ken, if the field is weak I want the cards.

[aguahombre]

i cannot imagine the utter boredom that leads to calculating those things. I am old, so can use the time for naps. :( When younger, there was social life. Maybe that is why I suck at bridge.

[Cascade]

Calculating what?

[nickf]

In R6 of Stage I of our Butler Trials in July, I held a total 54 hcp over the course of the 10 board match.

 

nickf

sydney

 

PS I didn't add it up as the hand record told me the session average.

[Cascade]

Nick's example appears to be a 1 in 4669 event.

 

My 7.33 HCP was a much more frequent 1 in 1298 event.

 

There were at least two tragedies in the night for me:

 

1. the 24 boards were two 12 board teams matches. Not everyone who sat north for the first set sat again north for the second set so there weren't as many other players to comisserate with.

 

2. I got my hands on the dummy once in the 24 boards - late in the second match. I was beginning to think I was going to go the entire night without declaring once. The hand I declared I had a diamond finesse for my contract but I found a line to make without necessarily risking the diamond finesse and I didn't have to and scored up my 420 or 620. The diamond finesse was winning and they took it at the other table and scored up an overtrick. So my solitary effort as declarer was OUT ONE!!!

 

Of course some might say that was a good night for me.

[Fluffy]

Talking about rare phenomena.

 

Bermuda Bowl, On the board 17 (first of the set) on the 10th match, NS had 32 HCP balanced combined with no fit.

 

6NT was a bad contract, needed a finese and when it was on, one of several other things also to work.

 

from the 22 tables in the bermuda bowl exactly half the tables played 6NT, and half the tables played in 3 or 4. But the rare thing is that in 9/11 there was an 11 IMP swing!, only 2 getting the push board.

 

http://www.swangames.com/magic/magic/www.p...sh=000000000111

[helene_t]

i cannot imagine the utter boredom that leads to calculating those things. I am old, so can use the time for naps. :( When younger, there was social life. Maybe that is why I suck at bridge.

That doesn't explain it I am afraid. I have no social life but I suck at bridge nonetheless.

[Gerben42]

3NT E = +600 tied the board with 3NT S -6 -600 at the other table. Note on defense they needed an extra trick to get the same score. I suppose that is the penalty for not doubling.

 

I had this once in Bingo Bridge. I was in an adventurous 3NT and when I noticed that I could not make 600 anymore, I decided to play for -600 so at least I could make a cross on my bingo card!

 

For explanations see http://www.geocities.com/gerben47/funbridge.html

[Fluffy]

lol bingo bridge, filling your card on a normal evening its rather impossible, but I suspect that if you are going for it you have a small chance.

[Gerben42]

You get 3% for every cross on your card, that's the point.

[Tomi2]

Talking about rare phenomena.

 

Bermuda Bowl, On the board 17 (first of the set) on the 10th match, NS had 32 HCP balanced combined with no fit.

 

6NT was a bad contract, needed a finese and when it was on, one of several other things also to work.

 

from the 22 tables in the bermuda bowl exactly half the tables played 6NT, and half the tables played in 3 or 4. But the rare thing is that in 9/11 there was an 11 IMP swing!, only 2 getting the push board.

 

http://www.swangames.com/magic/magic/www.p...sh=000000000111

i ran a short 100 board sim on that, 6nt was making 50 times, so the fields bidding was well timed :rolleyes:

[Fluffy]

double dummy you mean?

[iviehoff]

Actually, I think the best luck of the cards (if you're a stronger pair) is to get the weak hands when a weak pair comes to your table - they have more decisions to make and will generally get some wrong, probably giving you a good result for little work.

 

However, you need to get good cards when a stronger pair arrives at the table - because if they have good cards they will generally do better than the other weak pairs with such hands. Even though the stronger pair will take all they are due in defence it will not help them a lot if you're in the right contract and a significant number of the field isn't.

So you are saying if you are a strong pair you want to have poor cards and if you are a weak pair you want to have good cards. Seems to me you contradicted yourself.

[helene_t]

No.

1) If two strong pairs meet each other, both want to have the good cards.

2) If two weak pairs meet, both want to have the bad cards.

3) If a strong pair meets a week pair, both want to have the bad cards, although it is less important than it is in case 2).

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Something else:

 

Once I was playing with some friends and one of the opponents god tired of me always getting good cards and she always getting bad cards. So at one point, after I had dealt, she swapped my cards with hers, expecting her to get my good cards for a change.

 

I took up the cards originally dealt to her. And opened 2NT.

[jdonn]

The most interesting thing I ever saw on the hand records was a hand where NS make exactly 9 tricks on double dummy play and defense in all 5 strains.

[NickRW]

Actually, I think the best luck of the cards (if you're a stronger pair) is to get the weak hands when a weak pair comes to your table - they have more decisions to make and will generally get some wrong, probably giving you a good result for little work.

 

However, you need to get good cards when a stronger pair arrives at the table - because if they have good cards they will generally do better than the other weak pairs with such hands.  Even though the stronger pair will take all they are due in defence it will not help them a lot if you're in the right contract and a significant number of the field isn't.

So you are saying if you are a strong pair you want to have poor cards and if you are a weak pair you want to have good cards. Seems to me you contradicted yourself.

I think you need to re-read what I wrote - you might not agree with what I said, but I don't think there is anything contradictory in it.

 

Nick