jmc Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=saq762hqda9863c83]133|100|Scoring: IMPNorth passes. East opens 1♣ and South bids 1♠. West passes and North bids 2♥ which passes around to South. [/hv] This is your third hand with a pick up partner who you have agreed to play 2/1 with. Do you bid 3♦, pass, or something else as South? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Pass. And when I pass, you know it's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Partner didn't open 2♥, so he's more likely to be 2-5 in the majors than 1-6. I'd bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I pass. There may be hands that are unsuitable for a preempt at first seat red. 1-6 may be more unlikely than 2-5 but there are also 0/1-5 too. Even if partner is 2-5 it may be better for hearts to be trumps since I have a very helping queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 [hv=d=n&v=b&s=saq762hqda9863c83]133|100|Scoring: IMPNorth passes. East opens 1♣ and South bids 1♠. West passes and North bids 2♥ which passes around to South. [/hv] This is your third hand with a pick up partner who you have agreed to play 2/1 with. Do you bid 3♦, pass, or something else as South? smells like a misfit so I pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Its a clear pass if partner wasn't a passed hand, but given that he is not I agree with gnasher that our best spot is somewhere else. 2♠, hopefully partner doesn't have diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Its a clear pass if partner wasn't a passed hand, but given that he is not I agree with gnasher that our best spot is somewhere else. 2♠, hopefully partner doesn't have diamonds.North passes and then North bids 2♥ :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 that's what I meant andy :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 100% obvious pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 100% obvious 2S FYP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I think its a good time to learn transfer advance. If not i would assume 2H shows 5H and 2S or 5H and 5m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 OK what do you do over 2♦ transfer? How is it better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 3♦. IMO, I think it is losing bridge at IMP scoring for advancer to make a call that forces us into a high-reverse to show the fourth suit unless Advancer is prepared for that call when Overcaller has values. AQ-A in 5-5 suits, with the stiff Queen in the right spot, qualifies as values, IMO. If Advancer were, say, to bid 2♦ instead, which does not force a three-level call in the fourth suit, then I think Responder can be slightly weaker. In this sequence, smelling a problem for us is easy for Advancer. If he has that strange hand where there is no spade tolerance, no ability to field a three-level diamond call, no club stop (making 1NT more appealing), and insufficient hearts to open 2♥ in the first place, Advancer passes. That simple. The alternative approach, IMO, means that we miss too many games at IMP scoring just to improve an undoubled partscore to a level higher in a suit that may well not fare better and that cannot be all that impressive anyway. By "undoubled," I mean that Advancer is not barred, if he passes, from bidding 2♥ is 1♠-X comes back at him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Side Bar for this hand. It is made for Rubens Transfer Advances.( Perhaps they have been discussed in this forum previously ). For this hand ALL of the transfer bids exist for Advancer ( North ): West North East South - - p 1C 1S p ?? 2C! = transfer to 2D 2D! = " 2H 2H! = " 2S 2S = 3 card raise, less than limit raise. 3C! = (single-jump cue) constructive raise ( 7-9 hcp ) w/4 trumps If Advancer bids 2D! transfer to 2H, and then bids 2S, it showsa 2 card Sp raise w/ reasonable values . ( I wonder if Advancer had such a hand here ! ! ) Fit-jumps ( 3D! and 3H! ) are also in play showing 4 cd limit raises.And a jump-cue to the 4-level ( 4C! ) would be a splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 OK what do you do over 2♦ transfer? How is it better? Put dummy down? OK, transfers are better because with 2-5 in the majors responder can transfer to hearts and then bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lobowolf Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I'd definitely expect a passed-hand 2♥ advance to have spade tolerance. 2♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I think its a good time to learn transfer advance. If not i would assume 2H shows 5H and 2S or 5H and 5m. How do transfer advances help?Why can't responder have a 5431 shape?In fact why cant responder havex 234567 Qx AKxx ? Would you open 2H on a suit headed by the 7 and ever single honour card outside? Lobowolf:"I'd definitely expect a passed-hand 2♥ advance to have spade tolerance. " Why? Anyone for a Roman Jump overcall over 1C? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I think its a good time to learn transfer advance. If not i would assume 2H shows 5H and 2S or 5H and 5m. How do transfer advances help?Why can't responder have a 5431 shape?In fact why cant responder havex 234567 Qx AKxx ? Would you open 2H on a suit headed by the 7 and ever single honour card outside? Lobowolf:"I'd definitely expect a passed-hand 2♥ advance to have spade tolerance. " Why? Anyone for a Roman Jump overcall over 1C? With that hand (234567 in hearts), Responder seems well-suited for a pass. As hearts are expected to split 4-2, 2♥ does not fare well. four heart losers, two club losers, and 1/2 of a diamond loser. Probably down one or two. 1♠, if passed out, probably fares OK. one heart loser, one diamond loser, and then whatever it takes to bring in diamonds and spades. If diamonds split 4-2 poorly, you may still elope a few heart ruffs. At IMP scoring, then, not bad to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Why 2 C losers? On a non trump lead....Anyway this is all hypothetical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 How do transfer advances help?Why can't responder have a 5431 shape?In fact why cant responder havex 234567 Qx AKxx ? I think that hand shows why transfers do help. With x 234567 Qx AKxx, advancer transfers, overcaller bids 2♥, and advancer passes. With Jx A10xxx Qxx Kxx, advancer transfers and bids 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I think many people agreed that transfer and then bid pard's suit is like a fit jump to the two level, 3 card support and a goodish side suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Why 2 C losers? On a non trump lead....Anyway this is all hypothetical. Against your hypothetical, I lead a hypothetical heart, of course. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Another sidebar: Eventho you have a 5-5, there isn't a Michaels or Un2NT to show the Sp suit and another here. Enter Bailey Cuebids.( 1x ) - 2NT! = 2 lowest always( 1m ) - 2m! = Sp and ONE of the suits shown by 2NT!( 1S ) - 2S! = Hts and one of the suits shown by 2NT! So, for the hand here:A Q x x xQA x x x xx x ( 1C ) - 2C! = Sp and one of the Red suits follow-up by partner:If he didn't like Sp but could tolerate either Red suit,he would bid 2D for "pass or correct". - - Don - - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I think its a good time to learn transfer advance. If not i would assume 2H shows 5H and 2S or 5H and 5m. Half way through the auction is usually the best time to start playing a new convention :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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