WesleyC Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Favourable @ IMPs P (P) 1♥ (x)p (2♠) x (P)??? Holding:♠QJ765 ♥53 ♦J42 ♣J98 Pass or pull? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Pass. Partner unnecessarily forced us to the 3lvl so he should have a decent hand. Although if he's making a light shapely double at fav with 0544 then passing could be scary. Well, I like my chances at defence with my QJ's and most likely with no fit with partner. If dummy shows up with a doubleton heart then I will be a very happy man. Wish I had the ♠9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Tough problem but partner rates to have a good hand to come in over a value auction. Our minor cards are poorly placed, but I doubt declarer has all the entries to take advantage of the position. My spades are OK, and the hearts are probably good for us. Maybe pard has a spade to lead. As long as we defend defend passive we should be OK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'd bid 2NT, two places to play. Partner almost certainly has a spade void, so he may not have quite as much in defensive strength as we'd like. If I had to guess, I'd say that 2♠ is probably cold. Our minor cards are poorly placed, but I doubt declarer has all the entries to take advantage of the position.Can't he use his spades as entries? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'd pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 3♥ quickly. Nobody has a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Favourable @ IMPs P (P) 1♥ (x)p (2♠) x (P)??? Holding:♠QJ765 ♥53 ♦J42 ♣J98 Pass or pull? tough choice after all the doubler might hold[hv=s=saxxxhdaxxxxcjtxx]133|100|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'd bid 2NT, two places to play. Partner almost certainly has a spade void, so he may not have quite as much in defensive strength as we'd like. If I had to guess, I'd say that 2♠ is probably cold. Our minor cards are poorly placed, but I doubt declarer has all the entries to take advantage of the position.Can't he use his spades as entries? The spades are probably split. He can build entries with his intermediates I suppose, but at the cost of ruffing losers. At this point, I am veering toward to a 52 card construction. Usually a bad idea :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Easy pass. Partner could have bid 2Nt for a shapely take-out with not enough defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Partner almost certainly has a spade void... Why? It has happened before that they doubled with 3 and bid 2S with 4. Yes there are 2 other possibilities (4-4, and 3-5), but unless you think LHO almost always has 5 (I don't) for this bid I don't see why 3-4 is sooooo unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Partner almost certainly has a spade void... Why? It has happened before that they doubled with 3 and bid 2S with 4. Yes there are 2 other possibilities (4-4, and 3-5), but unless you think LHO almost always has 5 (I don't) for this bid I don't see why 3-4 is sooooo unlikely. Our 5 HCP despite awful, seem too many for the action around, 4-3 would be a nice surprise (and an awful surprise in my case). But unlikelly IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'm a little surprised that people are passing this. I expect something like the hand below where we just stop an overtrick on best defence. I'm with Fluffy and choose 3♥ as our best chance of escaping a double. Not close. [hv=n=shakqxxdkxxxcktxx&w=skt9xhjtxxdaxxcxx&e=sa8xxhxxdqtxcaqxx&s=sqj765h53dj42cj98]399|300|[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Pull. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Partner almost certainly has a spade void... Why? It has happened before that they doubled with 3 and bid 2S with 4. Yes there are 2 other possibilities (4-4, and 3-5), but unless you think LHO almost always has 5 (I don't) for this bid I don't see why 3-4 is sooooo unlikely. Maybe "almost certainly" was an overstatement, but I do think it very likely. If they're in a 4-3 fit, neither opponent will be shaded, especially given that they're vulnerable. I have 5HCP; if LHO has 10 and RHO 11, that leaves partner with a 15(43) 14-count, which doesn't really add up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Nobody has commented on our failure to bid 1♠ on the previous round. It seems to me that this is the root of our problems - a response in partner's short suit, probably followed by a penalty double on our left, would have dampened his enthusiasm somewhat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 void AKQxx Kxxx KTxx id bid 2Nt take-out with that instead of double. Its 15 pts but its far from 3 defenses tricks. When i make a take out X and have 2nt take-out available its because i want partner to pass with 3 trumps tricks. If partner pass with QJT9x and they make it then maybe it wasnt a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Nobody has commented on our failure to bid 1♠ on the previous round. It seems to me that this is the root of our problems - a response in partner's short suit, probably followed by a penalty double on our left, would have dampened his enthusiasm somewhat.yep...but I am glad I didn't choose 2S. And I think 1S sucks. As Dennis Miller says, "it is just my opinion, I could be wrong." Am happy to now pass the double. Maybe the original takeout double was 13 Cards and they are in trouble because the advancer is not of the same persuasion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 void AKQxx Kxxx KTxx id bid 2Nt take-out with that instead of double. Its 15 pts but its far from 3 defenses tricks. I usually play 2NT there as a 6-4 with a minor, so that three of a minor shows 5-5. Using 2NT as an offensive three-suiter would work well here, although it does mean that you miss a penalty if responder has a better five-card spade holding. When i make a take out X and have 2nt take-out available its because i want partner to pass with 3 trumps tricks. If partner pass with QJT9x and they make it then maybe it wasnt a double.If we had QJ109x, we wouldn't even be discussing what to do. Our spade holding is QJ765. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 void AKQxx Kxxx KTxx id bid 2Nt take-out with that instead of double. Interestingly that hand was almost exactly the hand i held at the table (plus the Jd) and I doubled. If you don't double on that hand and partner's spades turn out to be QJ98x you're going to wish you had... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 If we had QJ109x, we wouldn't even be discussing what to do. Our spade holding is QJ765. Agree that is why my requirement to double with a void is to have 3 defensives tricks. I play 3m as showing 5-5 and 2Nt as showing 64 too. That its exactly why I think 2Nt is slightly better than X here. If you don't double on that hand and partner's spades turn out to be QJ98x you're going to wish you had... Not if the take-out doubler had the 2 minors ACE and they make 2S X easily. But I agree that with the J of D its probably OK to X. It improve significantly the odds of making a D trick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 void AKQxx Kxxx KTxx id bid 2Nt take-out with that instead of double. Interestingly that hand was almost exactly the hand i held at the table (plus the Jd) and I doubled. If you don't double on that hand and partner's spades turn out to be QJ98x you're going to wish you had... ain't there 2 ♦J? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Sorry re: the Jd - I must be be wrong about one of the hands - i think maybe the penalty passer didn't have it. At the table, partner guessed to bid 2NT which got us to 3C -2. 2Sx was -1. One thing in favour of pass (which Jlall suggested) is that on a good day they WILL be in a 4-3 fit, and you're likely to get quite rich. On the actual hand the 2S bid was based on the T98x spades (in a maximum passed hand). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 void AKQxx Kxxx KTxx id bid 2Nt take-out with that instead of double. Its 15 pts but its far from 3 defenses tricks. I usually play 2NT there as a 6-4 with a minor, so that three of a minor shows 5-5. Using 2NT as an offensive three-suiter would work well here, although it does mean that you miss a penalty if responder has a better five-card spade holding. When i make a take out X and have 2nt take-out available its because i want partner to pass with 3 trumps tricks. If partner pass with QJT9x and they make it then maybe it wasnt a double.If we had QJ109x, we wouldn't even be discussing what to do. Our spade holding is QJ765. I don't see how we can really have better spades after 1H X P than we actually have (indeed didn't you say you would have bid 1S already with this hand?). I agree that 2N is 6-4 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 I think 2NT is natural.On my general "NT bids are natural if possible" rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted August 28, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 Seems like a case where playing 2NT as either natural OR shapely takeout with a void is playable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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