nigel_k Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 We lost a Swiss teams last night after leading going into the last round, mainly because of three slam (or not) hands. The second one is below: [hv=d=s&v=e&w=sa8xxhxdaq9xxxcak&e=sxhakjxxdk10xxc109x]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]How would you bid after South opens 2♠ (weak)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 (2♠)-3♦-3♠ 3N-4♦ RKC, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 3♦-3♥3NT-pass That's what I'd do playing with myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Perhaps 3♦-3♥3NT-4♦4♠-5♦6♣-7♦ but it's easier seeing both hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olliebol Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 2S 3D p 3H p 3nt p 5Dp 6D p pp maybe 4D better instead of 5D ? and rkc from west after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 We lost a Swiss teams last night after leading going into the last round, mainly because of three slam (or not) hands. The second one is below: Dealer: South Vul: E/W Scoring: IMP ♠ A8xx ♥ x ♦ AQ9xxx ♣ AK ♠ x ♥ AKJxx ♦ K10xx ♣ 109x How would you bid after South opens 2♠ (weak)?Why screw around with introducing Hts when you have 4cd support to the K, a stiff Sp and at least enough points for game: After ( 2S ) : 3D - 4S! ( splinter for Diam as trump )4NT - 5H ( 2 - dQ )7D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 3♦ 4♠ seems like a great start. I can't see us missing anything after that start. The hearts are an illusion. 1. They delay us investigating slam 2. With a possible 6=4 fit it is far from clear that we want to play in hearts even if we have a fit 3. At IMPs the costs from playing diamonds when hearts are better are diminished. Only if 4♥ makes and 5♦ fails is there a significant problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 It works very well on this deal wayne, but after north's pass it is quite likelly that partner has 4 spades and only 5 diamonds. If partner has 4 spades I don't wanna normally go over 3NT if I can avoid it. Specially if I can be a lot stornger for 4 spades. On the other hand the controls an the 4 trumps should let us stablish the hearts playing in diamonds better than in hearts, I like 4 spades more the more I think of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 3♦ 4♠ seems like a great start. I can't see us missing anything after that start. The hearts are an illusion. 1. They delay us investigating slam 2. With a possible 6=4 fit it is far from clear that we want to play in hearts even if we have a fit 3. At IMPs the costs from playing diamonds when hearts are better are diminished. Only if 4♥ makes and 5♦ fails is there a significant problem Agree with all that. I would add:4. Even if partner raises 3♥ to 4 we won't know that we are in the right contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Indeed there are many other examples where partner raises a new suit at the three level with a doubleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I'd splinter over 3♦ too. North's silence doesn't always mean partner's the one that has to have 4 spades. Wasn't that one of Josh's pets? By not raising partner's preempt so the opponent's don't know about the degree of our fit in the preempted suit to get them to judge better.Anyway I agree that hearts are an illusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Josh who? :rolleyes: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Indeed there are many other examples where partner raises a new suit at the three level with a doubleton.Does that apply to this sequence? Whenever the overcaller doesn't have primary support he can start with 3♠, so I don't see the need to raise with inadequate support. 4. Even if partner raises 3♥ to 4 we won't know that we are in the right contract. Who says we're passing 4♥? 3♦-3♥;4♥-4♠ would work well if partner has Axx Qxx AQJxxx x. The hearts are an illusion.Except when they're a source of tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 Gnasher: Given you've got 4c Diamond support, The hearts will usually be a source of tricks whether partner has support or not. In fact you'd rather be opposite xx than xxx. And after an auction like (2S) - 3D - 3H - 4H - 4S you could lose the diamond fit altogether. I agree with ONEferBRID's splinter auction. It puts partner is a great position to judge our slam potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 I think it is natural to bid 3H first - possible games are 3nt, 4H and 5D and the splinter commits you to 5D which seems premature - often 11 tricks will be much harder than 9. West has 17 so is 3nt automatic next? I don't know, but it seems hard to argue with. Now will East really bid 4D or 5D? I can't really see why - it's only an 11 count and we may be in our best sport in 3NT esp if p has good but slow spades say KJxx Always embarrasing to play in 3nt with 7 cold but I can see why it'd happen and I can't say really either side is to blame if you ended up there. Seeing both hands sure 4S is clear but give W something like KJxx/x/AQxxxx/Kx and 5D probably won't make while 3NT will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhm Posted August 27, 2009 Report Share Posted August 27, 2009 (2♠) 3♦ 4♠4NT 5♥7♦ Introducing ♥ over 3♦ is the mark of a weak playerFar more important to show your ♦ support with a splinter in ♠advancer should see that over 3♦ there is great slam potential in ♦ Rainer Herrmann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 28, 2009 Report Share Posted August 28, 2009 We lost a Swiss teams last night after leading going into the last round, mainly because of three slam (or not) hands. The second one is below: [hv=d=s&v=e&w=sa8xxhxdaq9xxxcak&e=sxhakjxxdk10xxc109x]266|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]How would you bid after South opens 2♠ (weak)? I will start with 3d now if I can just get past this round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 3♦-3♥3NT-pass That's what I'd do playing with myself. Did you enjoy it? I would bid 3D 4S4N 5H5N 6D7D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 3♦-3♥3NT-pass That's what I'd do playing with myself. Did you enjoy it? I would bid 3D 4S4N 5H5N 6D7DHog... What is your 5NT asking for ? and why ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Far from certain I would have thought it at the table, but if I did, I would definitely support diamonds on the first round. (Most likely I would bid 3♥ without much thought, and get into hot water later.) Edit: Oh, and the bidding: 3♦ - 4♠4NT - 5♥5♠ - 6♣7♦ 4NT = Three aces out of five.5♥ = Two aces, no club-cue.5♠ = ♦Q6♣ = Strongly suggests bidding grand. Edit: Sequence changed. (Memory lapse.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Is the search for a heart fit a red herring? Would it be better to immediately support with support? 2S-3D-P-4S*P - 4N-P-5DP- 5N**-P-6H***P - 7D-P - PP *The fit is found** Extras?*** Good hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 30, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Is there anyone out there who would do something other than 3♦ with West? The choice at the table was 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 3NT would be an option if you usually overcall on crap. Given that we are vulnerable, I barelly think 3♦ has extras. BTW Axxx its not a great holding for 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Is there anyone out there who would do something other than 3♦ with West? The choice at the table was 3NT.I can see the logic of 3NT since there are many hands where p will pass 3♦ but 3NT will come in facing a suitable 5 or 6 count Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted August 31, 2009 Report Share Posted August 31, 2009 Looks to me that a splinter is the most sensible advance when partner o/c 3D. 3H may well get you 4H and now things get difficult. 4S should make life easy for partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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