PrecisionL Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 In our Copious Canape Club System [ultra Club Improved!], we are now trying to merge the old Matchpoint Precision approach of 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ showing 4 or more ♥s (forcing for one round) with the modern approach of using the 1♥ Relay ALSO for balanced 20+ hcp hands. This is tough to sort out because of the possibility of opener having 4 or 5♥s. One solution is to use the Toad Club approach where the 1NT rebid by responder shows 5-7 hcp and either 5♣ or 5♠. However, this does not allow enough room to distinguish between 3 and 4-card ♥ raises [like Berkowitz-Cohen once did with 2♣ (0-2♥) and 2♦ (3♥ exactly)]. Does anyone have experience with this approach or ANY other ideas of making the 1♥ Relay multi-functional? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Alan Sontag had a two-way 1♥ rebid in Power Precision that he played with Peter Weischel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 One approach I used for a while is to keep the 1♥ purely relay (strong, 20+), and use 1♠ to show a non-strong 2-suiter. The simple version of this would be: 1♣-1♦: 1♥ art, any 20+ or equiv1♠ min 5/4+ 2-suiter except both minors1N 17-19, including 5M332 and 4441's2♣♦ 5+ suits, unbal and limited2♥♠ 6+ suits, unbal and limited2N 5/5+ minors, limited Over 1♠ (I treatment I like), I use the following: P to play (weak long spades)1N asking for the longer suit (major if equal), most invites2♣ p/c for the cheapest suit2♦ asking for longer major2♥ to play (weak long hearts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 Sam and I sort of play this. Our methods actually involve 1♦ showing either 0-4 or certain GF hands, but it's probably possible to substitute the semi-positives. After 1♣-1♦, we play: 1♥ = either 4♥ and longer ♦, or 5+♥, or 4441/4450 short in a black suit, or 21+ balanced without 4♠1♠ = 4+♠, possibly a longer minor, forcing one round1NT = 16-20 balanced2♣ = 5+♣ unbalanced, may have a 4-card red suit, minimum values2♦ = 5+♦/4♣ or 6+♦, minimum values2♥ = 4♥ and 5+♣, extras2♠ = 5+/5+ minors, forcing one round2N = 6+ minor semi-balanced, substantial extras3m = 6+ minor, short in other minor, no 4M GF3M = short in other major, no 4M, GF, either a minor one-suiter or (31)(45) After 1♣-1♦-1♥: 1♠ = normal 0-4 response..... 1N = really big balanced hand..... 2♣ = shows 5+♥ and another suit or 4441, forcing one round..... 2♦ = 4♥ and longer ♦ or 1444, minimum..... 2♥ = 6+♥, minimum..... 2♠ = 4♥ and 5+♦, extras but less than GF..... 2N = GF balanced hand..... 3♣ = GF 5+♥/5+♣..... 3♦ = GF 4♥/5+♦..... 3♥ = GF natural1N = GF relay2♣ = 0-4 with 5+♣ and 5+♦2♦ = 0-4 with 5+♦ and 5+♠2♥ = 0-4 with 4+♥ (opener can bid 2N natural w/o 4♥ or make game tries)2♠ = 0-4 with 5+♠ and 5+♣ 1♣-1♦-1♥-1♠-2♣: 2♦ = either 4+♠, or 3-1 in the majors..... 2♥ = minimum ♥ + a minor..... 2♠ = minimum 4-5 majors..... 2N = 4+♣ extras (only 3♣ and 3♥ NF now)..... 3♣ = 4+♦ extras (only 3♦ and 3♥ NF now)..... 3♦ = 6+♥ extras (only 3♥ NF now)..... 3♥ = 5+♥ 4+♠ extras (only 3♠ NF now)2♥ = 2-3♥ (non-pass continuations are natural and show extras)2♠, 3♣, 3♦ = 6+ suit, normally 0-1♥2N = 3♥ and side singleton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 26, 2009 Report Share Posted August 26, 2009 I play 1C-1D;1H as forcing p to bid 1S and showing either 5+H or strong balanced 19-20, 23-24 - kokish style with balanced hands opener rebids 1NT=19-20, 2NT 23-24 (opener would have rebid 1NT not 1H with balanced 17-18, and 2NT with 21-22) (we open 1nt 14-16 so we get to play all our gadgets after 1nt for all balanced hands in the range 14-20) if opener is unbalanced we rebid 2C after 1C-1D;1H-1S to show 3 or 4 spades, and 2D to show less than 3 spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahonga Posted September 1, 2009 Report Share Posted September 1, 2009 After 1♣ - 1♦ we play 1♥ 16-19 with 5+♥ or 20 any (except 20-21 with 5+♠)1♠ 16-21 5+1NT 17-19 including 4441, 5♥332 and 5m4M222m 16-19 unbalanced, no four card major2M 16-19 4M, longer minor and a shortness2N 16-19 55 minors3♣/♦/♥ good 16-19 6♠ and 4♣/♦/♥3♠ 9 tricks with ♠3NT to play After 1♣ - 1♦-; 1♥ we play 1♠ 0-4 any or 5-7 bal with 2♥1NT 5-7 5+♠ or 5+♦, 0-2♥2♣ 5-7 5+♣2♦ 5-7 5+♦ and 3+♥2♥ 5-7 bal with 3-4♥2♠+ 5-7 natural with 5♥ gameforce. After 1♣ - 1♦-;1♥ - 1♠ -; we play 1NT 17-19 bal or semibal2♣ 23+ GF2♦ 16-21 5+♥2M 20-22 4M longer minor with shortness2N 20-22 both minors3m 20-22 onesuited3♥ 9 tricks with ♥ If it looks interesting and you want more details give me a shout. Mattias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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