shyams Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I am not sure which forum this should be in. Anyway, in 4th seat / none vul / MPs, you hold:5Q8428765AT74 The bidding starts inauspiciously as follows:LHO Part. RHO You1H 1S pass passDbl pass pass ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 i think 1♠x will be a bad score for us. Let's try to get a better one - xx. BTW maybe at imps it is not so clear. I think 2mx can go potentially for quite a bit more than 1Sx, so that could change the odds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 XX - rho has loads of spades to pass at the 1 level Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Passing when I can recover? It is the choice between 1 NT and XX. I prefer the first. Partner will get quite a good view of our hand (0-1 spade, around 5-6 HCPs, some hearts with an honour), so if we belong in 2 of a minor he can bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 1NT is better than redouble. Clearly, I have spade shortness for my call, otherwise I would pass. But I am not broke (which might be expected on this auction) and the 1NT bid should show that I have some values. If partner wants to pull 1NT to 2 of a minor, that is fine. But I am not going to demand that he do so by redoubling. Redouble will almost always prevent us from playing what may be our best contract - 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Yep, that is about typical of what happens to me when I mess around. 1NT would now sound too "unusual" to Partner, so I guess XX as slightly better than having made my bed and then lying in it with a pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I always run from a doubled 1-level contract if it's at all probable that we'll do better in some other spot. I prefer 1NT to xx here, for reasons already mentioned upthread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Running looks clear to me, but I prefer xx. 1N will not get partner to bid a 4 card minor, and rates to play poorly unless partner can contribute something to the heart suit. If that is the the case, he might be able to bid 1N himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 XX. I think this is the wrong hand for 1NT. I'd be surprised if 1NT plays better than 2 of a minor (unless partner bids 1NT himself) and he may well pass expecting more in hearts and less in the minor suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 I'm passing. Of course running could be right, but we're going to be a level higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_KARLUK Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Pass. Anything possible anytime. I don't want to promise a rose garden. Sometimes the correct bidding is by no means obvious. A counterbalance by a defensive error mostly possible, so that the par result could easily achieve in spite of the worst efforts of both sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 Decades ago, Terrence Reese presented a similar problem hand in his book titled (then) "Develop Your Bidding Judgment". (It was then re-issued under a different name.) He recommended XX with comments about the possibility that partner could have enough to make the contract in his hand and that the XX catered for that possibility. Any other bid (except pass) would take partner out of the decision-making process. DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=n&n=sa98762hjt3daj94c&w=skhk96dkt3cq98653&e=sqjt43ha75dq2ckj2&s=s5hq842d8765cat74]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv]The actual hand is above. We played in 1NTx by South. Most Wests did not open the bidding, so the actual result on the board may be irrelevant. Some points / follow-ups: 1. Before I posted the hand, I thought the only logical action for South was XX. But many of you said 1NT embeds an option to partner to remove. 1a. Should North take-out to 2D after 1NT is doubled by East?1b. Would North not expect South to have 5 clubs & 1 spade (after all 1C can be 3-cards)? In such a case, North still risks playing in a 4-3 fit. 2. I thought XX is better than 1NT also due to reasons listed by DHL. Occasionally (rarely) partner may choose to play and may even make it (or at worst be -1 when opps have game) 3. Some of you chose pass. Isn't "do something" a winning strategy in the long run? Thank you all for the responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 LHO Part. RHO You1H 1S pass passDbl pass pass ???Did you give us the right auction? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted August 25, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 LHO Part. RHO You1H 1S pass passDbl pass pass ???Did you give us the right auction?Oh, no! Terribly sorry. I feel stupid for not noticing the blunder despite having looked at the post at least 5 times! :unsure: The typo in my first post renders is a major flaw. The opening bid was 1C :( My mistake, don't know how I never noticed it at all :( I apologize to all. Oh, no! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 25, 2009 Report Share Posted August 25, 2009 So the auction was1♣ 1 ♠ pass passX pass pass 1 NTpass pass X passpass pass? It is tricky, but I think North should redouble here for SOS. He has tolerance for both red suits and knows from just around 16 HCPS between him and partner. But 1 NT X -1 is the best result possible, well done anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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