kgr Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sxhakqtxxdtxxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I'd pass and wait for partner's action (if any). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I'd bid and wait for partner's action (if any). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I'd bid and wait for partner's action (if any). me too - I have 6 tricks (all being well) and its unlikely lho will X for penalties as he/she won't have great hearts and doesn't know what partner's other suit is - and very unlikely partner will be X'ing for t/o :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sxhakqtxxdtxxcxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's? suspect it depends on agreements I would use 2NT as a sort of reverse Lebensohl where over partner's 3m bid I could make a NF 3♥ call. I would expect any 3 level call over 2♠ to be forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: MP ♠ x ♥ AKQTxx ♦ Txx ♣ xxx RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's? suspect it depends on agreements I would use 2NT as a sort of reverse Lebensohl where over partner's 3m bid I could make a NF 3♥ call. I would expect any 3 level call over 2♠ to be forcing What planet do you live on? Without special agreements 2NT is natural, and any 3-level bid is non-forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 <!-- ONEHAND begin --><table border='1'> <tr> <td> <table> <tr> <td> Dealer: </td> <td> East </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Vul: </td> <td> None </td> </tr> <tr> <td> Scoring: </td> <td> MP </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> <table> <tr> <th> <span class='spades'> ♠ </span> </th> <td> x </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='hearts'> ♥ </span> </th> <td> AKQTxx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='diamonds'> ♦ </span> </th> <td> Txx </td> </tr> <tr> <th> <span class='clubs'> ♣ </span> </th> <td> xxx </td> </tr> </table> </td> <td> </td> </tr> </table><!-- ONEHAND end -->RHO opens 2♠ Muiderberg (Weak with 5 card ♠ and 4+ minor). Is this enough to bid at MP's? suspect it depends on agreements I would use 2NT as a sort of reverse Lebensohl where over partner's 3m bid I could make a NF 3♥ call. I would expect any 3 level call over 2♠ to be forcing What planet do you live on? Without special agreements 2NT is natural, and any 3-level bid is non-forcing. Don't use Muiderberg but was presuming that 2NT was used to find the minor suit in the 2♠ bidders hand. Having seen some your responses at least I am from this universe :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner. Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt. BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner. Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt. BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c. 2NT GF really? I'm used to playing 3♣ as p/c and 2NT as inv+.Over 2NT 3m shows a minimum, and responder might pass, whereas 3M shows a maximum with the corresponding minor suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 Sorry should have realized you were thinking of responding rather than overcalling, pooltuna.I would overcall 3♥ in the problem situation, and I don't think it is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 I'll bid 3♥ here at MP. We're white and unlikely to go for a big number with ♥ this strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 3H With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner. Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt. BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c. 2NT GF really? I'm used to playing 3♣ as p/c and 2NT as inv+.Over 2NT 3m shows a minimum, and responder might pass, whereas 3M shows a maximum with the corresponding minor suit. On what auctions does responder have the flexibility to show his own minor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 If I bid partner will put me to game with some hearts and ♦Axx ♣Axx or similar. If I PASS partner will also PASS with some hearts and ♦ Ax ♣ Ax or similar. Either could be right. I usually only bid with a little more distribution 6=4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.3NT just made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.3NT just made. What was your partner's hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 23, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.3NT just made. What was your partner's hand? ...I don't know, but here is a guess from what I remember of the play.[hv=n=sqt9xhxxdakj9xcax&w=sxxxhjxxxdqcqjxxx&e=sakjxxhxdtxxxckxx&s=sxhakqtxxdxxxctxx]399|300|[/hv]I was more interested if the South hand was ok to overcall, independent of the result.Thanks,Koen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 well done and 3 Heart was on the lower side on HCPS but 6 tricks in a solid suit and a shortness in their main suit is too much to pass. Had you passed, Partner had been in a really tricky situation. Shall he pass given his heart shortage and spade length? Bid 3 Diamond? The one with the shortness sometimes needs to act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 pooltuna, it was rho who opened 2♠, not partner. Just treat 2♠ as a normal preempt. BTW the standard responses to muiderberg are: 2NT GF, 3♣ p/c. 2NT GF really? I'm used to playing 3♣ as p/c and 2NT as inv+.Over 2NT 3m shows a minimum, and responder might pass, whereas 3M shows a maximum with the corresponding minor suit. On what auctions does responder have the flexibility to show his own minor? 2M-4m is a natural GF for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 If I bid partner will put me to game with some hearts and ♦Axx ♣Axx or similar. So you score -100 in 4♥ instead of -140/-170 defending 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I did overcall 3♥ and my partner did bid 3NT, but he considered a slam try.3NT just made. What was your partner's hand? ...I don't know, but here is a guess from what I remember of the play.[hv=n=sqt9xhxxdakj9xcax&w=sxxxhjxxxdqcqjxxx&e=sakjxxhxdtxxxckxx&s=sxhakqtxxdxxxctxx]399|300|[/hv]I was more interested if the South hand was ok to overcall, independent of the result.Thanks,Koen Well judged - unlucky. You might get there or 4♥ if you PASS and partner likes to bid 2NT a little light in 4th seat (not my style). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 If I bid partner will put me to game with some hearts and ♦Axx ♣Axx or similar. So you score -100 in 4♥ instead of -140/-170 defending 2♠. If not doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 I would pass over the 2♠ opening and bid 4♥ after partner's reopening call, whatever it is. Also, I have no clue why 4♥ should fail on this hand. Seems easy enough to ruff a club in dummy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 If I bid partner will put me to game with some hearts and ♦Axx ♣Axx or similar. So you score -100 in 4♥ instead of -140/-170 defending 2♠. If not doubled. You might not believe it, but I actually did know that - however, I will take my shot at them not doubling with no trump trick and no ace outside of the suit they preempted in.Do you really think defending 2♠ is a better MP spot than playing 4♥ on these cards, or did you just make this post to back up your original decision? Btw, kgr, your partner isn't close to a slam try (assuming you remember his hand right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 Do you really think defending 2♠ is a better MP spot than playing 4♥ on these cards, or did you just make this post to back up your original decision? Its not that simple. PASS here does not end the auction. So it is not a simple choice between bidding and defending 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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