karlson Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 ♠K9x ♥Kxx ♦Qxx ♣KJxx Partner opens 1♦, unbalanced (5♦ unless (4441)). You bid 2N natural invitational, and partner bids 3♥ (natural and game forcing). 3N or 4♦? (or something else?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Depends on your agreements. If 3S expresses doubts about a S stopper, then I bid that, else i bid 3NT. You are a long way from 5D with more than half of your points in the black suits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 What's the philosophy behind partner's 3♥ call? In my perfect world, Opener only bids 3♥ in one of two scenarios. He's either bidding around the stiff (and hence has shown a stiff club) or he has slam interest with diamonds and hearts. (3♠ would be clear, as Opener won't isolate two stiffs, 3♣ is unclear, but there is space to resolve.) In either world, 3NT seems clear. Not particularly slammish opposite a heart-diamond two-suiter, but perfect for 3NT opposite a stiff club. Deciding what to do is not a matter of hand evaluation as much as a matter of understanding what 3♥ is supposed to mean. The "he has hearts" definition seems silly unless it is a purposeful call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted August 21, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 To Ken: What does opener do in your perfect world with xx AKJx AKJxx xx? or for that matter with x AQJx AKJxx xxx? or x KQxxx AJxxxx x? No sarcasm intended, maybe this all can work, but to me those all look like 3♥ bids, and i wouldn't really jump at calling them "slam interest". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 To Ken: What does opener do in your perfect world with xx AKJx AKJxx xx? or for that matter with x AQJx AKJxx xxx? or x KQxxx AJxxxx x? No sarcasm intended, maybe this all can work, but to me those all look like 3♥ bids, and i wouldn't really jump at calling them "slam interest". With 2-4-5-2, I actually would open 1♣ if playing a true "unbalanced diamond." If you are playing am "unbalanced or quasi-balanced 1♦," that's different. (I may sound like I'm being ridiculously technical, but my understanding of the treatment, as I play it anyway, is that it promises a stiff or void somewhere). With a COV 1-4-5-3, I'd bid 3♣ even though my clubs suck. Three clubs, opposite a balanced hand (presumablu with no four-card major) is fine, even if 4-3-2 in the suit. Works for me. With 1-5-6-1 shape, I'm planning on rebidding hearts again. Sure, that's not technically "slammish" on its own. But, take your actual hand. If partner has one black Ace, one red Ace, and one red King, an 11-HCP hand, I probably do want to be in slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Many play 3♥ as shortness. This helps us find 5♦ when its right. I would think your partner will have shortness 80% of the time for a 1♦ opener. If its in spades (and our 2N shut out LHO's spade overcall), a spade lead is a real concern, but I have no real way of knowing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Shortness bids are usually much more help to partner judging whether to play 3NT or 5minor. Or maybe even 4Major on some hands perhaps in a Moysian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 To Ken: What does opener do in your perfect world with xx AKJx AKJxx xx? or for that matter with x AQJx AKJxx xxx? or x KQxxx AJxxxx x? No sarcasm intended, maybe this all can work, but to me those all look like 3♥ bids, and i wouldn't really jump at calling them "slam interest". xx AKJx AKJxx xx is an obvious 3NT bid x KQxxx AJxxxx x is an obvious 1H opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 3 NT I did this with lesser stoppers before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 3NT - all those points in the black suits... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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