1) What is partner doing?

[Double !]

The opps pass throughout

the game is imp pairs

location BBO -MBC

your partner is a fairly regular partner of yours on BBO, skill level from adv to expurt, depending on opinion and how much sleep he/she's gotten B) .

the vulnerability really doesn't matter (which means that I forget)

 

I am only giving the bidding, not the hands. What is partner doing? what is partner looking for? Any idea what Partner hand is?

 

Partner: 1♣, You: 1♠

Partner: 2♦, You: 2♠

Partner: 3♠, You: 3NT

Partner: 4♦, You: 4♠

Partner: 5♥ !!!!!

 

What is partner doing, what is partner looking for, any idea what partner's hand is? (Hint: Partner is not 4-suited)

BTW: There were no conventional bids in this auction with the possible exception of your 2 spade rebid meaning only that you had 5+ spades.

 

Enjoy: DHL

[ArtK78]

Partner has clubs and spades, something in diamonds, no more than one heart.

 

Partner has controls in all suits except clubs.

 

Possible hand:

 

AKxx

---

AKx

QJxxxx

[Free]

Looks like Exclusion Blacky to me

[cherdanno]

Does not exist, 3♠ was non-forcing.

[pooltuna]

The opps pass throughout

the game is imp pairs

location BBO -MBC

your partner is a fairly regular partner of yours on BBO, skill level from adv to expurt, depending on opinion and how much sleep he/she's gotten B) .

the vulnerability really doesn't matter (which means that I forget)

 

I am only giving the bidding, not the hands. What is partner doing? what is partner looking for? Any idea what Partner hand is?

 

Partner: 1♣, You: 1♠

Partner: 2♦, You: 2♠

Partner: 3♠, You: 3NT

Partner: 4♦, You: 4♠

Partner: 5♥ !!!!!

 

What is partner doing, what is partner looking for, any idea what partner's hand is? (Hint: Partner is not 4-suited)

BTW: There were no conventional bids in this auction with the possible exception of your 2 spade rebid meaning only that you had 5+ spades.

 

Enjoy: DHL

my take it on this is partner wants you to bid 6 if you have either the A♣ and good ♠ ( maybe as bad as KJT?) or solid ♠ but no ♣ stop.

[gwnn]

1. partner is smoking something

2. irrelevant

[kenrexford]

Partner opens 1♣. That part is easy.

 

After you respond 1♠, partner rebids 2♦, a reverse. Now, at this point, I'm not sure of the style used here. Is this alone GF in the approach or not?

 

In any event, you rebid 2♠, showing 5+ spades. Does this establish a GF or not?

 

After that, partner bids 3♠. Whatever that shows, it shows fit.

 

You then bid 3NT, which NOW converts the sequence to GF, assuredly. But, what is 3NT in your methods? Game choice? Slam move?

 

Partner bids 4♦, ostensibly a cue in support of spades, but in theory it might be natural, depending on what is going on in your partnership.

 

You bid 4♠. I'm still not sure what anyone has or is showing, because I don't know what anyone has shown or denied so far.

 

However, partner now bids 5♥. This is a shortness bid, I hope. However, I suppose that it is remotely possible that this sequence somehow or other could exist where partner has a rock but two heart losers. Maybe 2♦ was a manufactured reverse with 3253 shape and a 19-count (partner never upgrading?) Maybe partner has something like ♠AKQ ♥xx ♦AQx ♣AJ109x? That would be sick, though.

 

So, I assume shortness. But, what kind?

 

If 5♥ after 3NT would have been Exclusion, then why wait? Maybe partner thought 3NT was serious or frivolous and that bypassing 4♥ means that you do not have the wasted Ace or King of hearts, hence just enough for him to now bid Exclusion?

 

Or, maybe this just shows the heart void and is a cue. Something like ♠AKQ ♥-- ♦AKxxx ♣QJ10xx?

[Phil]

3♠ is NF, so the subsequent 5♥ is a mystery.

[peachy]

Before being able to answer the questions and guess on partner's hand, need to know your agreements in reverse auctions. I assume 2D was a standard reverse, showing 5+ clubs and at least a good 16+ in HCP, with either a 4-card diamond suit or with very bulky shorter diamonds.

In my methods, 2S was showing 5+ spades, neither promising nor denying better than minimum response. 3S was non-forcing, showing support. 3NT has heart stopper, doubleton in clubs and three or fewer diamonds, and obviously GF :)

4D was cue. 4S signoff denying heart ace or king. 5H denying club ace, asking partner to bid slam if he has club ace.

 

Opener's shape is 3-1-4-5, 4-1-3-5. 4-0-4-5, 3-0-4-6, 4-0-3-6, 3-2-2-6 with AK diamonds, or some such.

[ONEferBRID]

I wish I could convey my points as well as KenR....

 

I'm thinking the hand is something like:

3s, void, 4d, 6c ...

 

I'm wondering, though, if partner really has 4 cards Sp, and felt stuck for a forcing bid and made a "manufactured " reverse into Diam with something like ArtK's hand;

but I'm going to have to go on the assumption that 3S = 3 card support.

  With a GF 4s/6c, Opener could have rebid the "convention with no name" 4C!.

  ...or with 4s/5c and Ht shortness, he could have rebid 3H! = reverse-jump-cue.

 

2H! by Responder would have been Lebensohl*, the start of a weak sequence.

Any other bid by Responder is forward-going ( and for all intents and purposes, is GF ).

2S = 5+Sp.

 

If Opener is as strong as the 5H! bid portends, then why a 4D cue, bypassing a Cl cue ?

Anyway, he bid 5H!, and if it doesn't change anything from your perspective, try to sign-off in 5S.

However, if you have the Cl Ace ( or King ), I'd go to 6S with the assumption that partner has a hand something like : ♠AQx ♥--- ♦AKQx ♣QJ10xxx

[bid_em_up]

Opener's shape is 3-1-4-5, 4-1-3-5, 4-0-4-5, 3-0-4-6, 4-0-3-6, 3-2-2-6 with AK diamonds, or some such.

I think we can rule out any shape that has a singleton heart unless it is the stiff Ace. The lack of a 4H cuebid makes it impossible that partner has continued on while also missing the A or K of clubs which can be inferred by the lack of a 4C cuebid. This eliminates 3-1-4-5, 4-1-3-5, and he absolutely cannot have 3-2-2-6. (Side note: 4-1-3-5 should have splintered over 2S).

 

While some people do not like splintering with a void, I am not one of them and would have splintered on 4-0-4-5 and 4-0-3-6 as well and then continued with one more try over the 4S signoff, so for me, these two holdings are also eliminated.

 

This leaves only 3-0-4-6, or 3-0-3-7 as the only two reasonable remaining distributions, imo. I'm inclined to believe that he is 3-0-4-6. I think partner is looking for one of the top clubs, either the A or K. If I have either one of them, then that has to be what he needs, and I will show it by bidding 6C. If I don't have either, it's a moot point since his bidding makes no sense and I will just sign off again in 5S.

 

jmoo

[bid_em_up]

Looks like Exclusion Blacky to me

Maybe it's just me, but I think Exclusion requires a jump to the 5 level.

 

5H over 3N would be exclusion, but not here.

[neilkaz]

Does not exist, 3♠ was non-forcing.

2♦ was a reverse. Some people would play that 2♠ was GF afterwards..ie no leb or ing. Therefore 3♠ would be forcing.

[neilkaz]

Looks like Exclusion Blacky to me

Could be with 3 card ♠ support, hence no immediate splinter over 1♠, but why didn't opener splinter 4♥ then over 2♠? (Perhaps he felt that might confuse/// but :) the OP sequence is also confusing)

[skjaeran]

5♥ doesn't exist. None of us has a club control, and we both know it. I play 3♠ as forcing here - 4♠ would be a game try over 2♠.

[neilkaz]

In order to try to figure out what partner is doing, it would help to see the hand held by the OP.

 

I also need to know, as pointed out by others, what 3NT was after bidding ♠ twice and getting a raise to 3♠. Was it choice of games or at least a mild slam move? (serious..semi serious..frivolous..whatever?)

 

Also, can PD manufacture a 2♦ reverse on less than 4 cards? (I realize that you may not know if PD will do this)

[kenrexford]

5♥ doesn't exist. None of us has a club control, and we both know it. I play 3♠ as forcing here - 4♠ would be a game try over 2♠.

Technically, not necessarily.

 

If 4♣ by Opener would have shown, say, two of the top three honors (because he opened clubs) or the Ace (for the same reason), then Opener could have a club control.

 

If Responder is actually known to not have a club control, a big IF, IMO, then Opener's failure to bid 5♣ does not deny a club control. You don't have to cue anything that contextually you must have. In fact, if pener actually must have a club control to bypass game, then I'd suggest that 5♣ would show the Ace whereas bypassing 5♣ shows second-round control -- the King.

[Cascade]

4th suit forcing.

 

Well this makes as much sense as bidding 3♠ non-forcing and then deciding your are slammish when a limited partner shows no trump stoppers in your short suit.

 

I meaning really the auction makes no sense or there is something about your methods that you didn't tell us.

[Fluffy]

3♠ non forcing makes me laugh, really. It is the strongest bid avaible.

 

I agree with Art, something desperate for a club control, we actually denied Ace or King, but we can still have singleton.

 

AKx

-

AKQJ

QJxxxx

 

Maybe ♥A and 1 less club.

[Cascade]

3♠ non forcing makes me laugh, really. It is the strongest bid avaible.

 

I agree with Art, something desperate for a club control, we actually denied Ace or King, but we can still have singleton.

 

AKx

-

AKQJ

QJxxxx

 

Maybe ♥A and 1 less club.

Who showed extra values?

 

Opener made a one round force followed by a minimum raise.

 

Responder rebid a suit at the minimum level.

 

If there is some gadget in play then we need to know to answer the question meaningfully.

[mike777]

The opps pass throughout

the game is imp pairs

location BBO -MBC

your partner is a fairly regular partner of yours on BBO, skill level from adv to expurt, depending on opinion and how much sleep he/she's gotten  :rolleyes: .

the vulnerability really doesn't matter (which means that I forget)

 

I am only giving the bidding, not the hands.  What is partner doing? what is partner looking for?  Any idea what Partner hand is?

 

Partner:  1♣,    You:  1♠

Partner:  2♦,    You:  2♠

Partner:  3♠,    You:  3NT

Partner:  4♦,    You:  4♠

Partner:  5♥  !!!!!

 

What is partner doing, what is partner looking for, any idea what partner's hand is?  (Hint:  Partner is not 4-suited) 

BTW: There were no conventional bids in this auction with the possible exception of your 2 spade rebid meaning only that you had 5+ spades.

 

Enjoy:  DHL

1) First off I also play 3s here as nonforcing. 3h here would be 4sf and artificial.

2) 2s for me shows 5+s and max of 9hcp, it is one round forcing but not forcing to game.

 

 

3) 3nt I would take as a mild slam try in spades, very often denying a club cuebid.

 

4) 4d cue denies club cue.

5) 4s sign off

 

6) 5h seems a bit much....I just rebid 5s i guess.

[the hog]

Does not exist, 3♠ was non-forcing.

Agree. Partner has been smoking noxious substances.

[goodwintr]

Some people play that responder's 2S rebid is forced whenever he has 5+ spades, regardless of his strength: he could be weak, intending to pass if opener next bids 3C, but he could also be strong. (This was the Kaplan-Sheinwold understanding, I believe.)

 

Since on this understanding 2S might be any old five-card suit, opener's raise to 3S shows genuine support, and is forcing: a hand good enough for a reverse that includes genuine support for responder's five-card suit ought to stretch for a playable game almost regardless of what responder has. Putting it another way, once an eight-card major-suit fit is established, so that the deal is known not to be misfit, opener's reverse should be considered game-forcing even if it wasn't game-forcing before the fit was established.

 

3NT over 3S sounds like choice-of-games. 4D chooses spades and implies an enormous hand. 5H implies no heart losers and focusses on clubs, as others have said.

 

I strongly suspect that opener is overbidding, and maybe playing a different system from the above. What else is new?

[Phil]

Some of these constructions for 3♠ are quite hilarious.

[Double !]

Does not exist, 3♠ was non-forcing.

Agree. Partner has been smoking noxious substances.

I wish I had been smoking something good. The noxious stuff gives me headaches.

 

I apologize for not anticipating that there might be discussion about whether or not the 3S bid was forcing or not. I was under the impression that this Pd & I had agreed to play it as forcing. Wish I had indicated such in the original post. 'tis an interesting topic for survey.

 

As some have requested responder's hand, here it is: ♠ Q9876, ♥ Qxx, ♦ 7653, ♣ A. This hand may look familiar to some. That was why i was reluctant to post it initially.

 

Again, there were no conventional bids throughout the auction. For example, 3NT was not serious.

 

DHL