bid_em_up Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 1♥ - (2♣) - 4N? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'm actually going to vote for natural and inv. Two suited is out, since you have a negative double available. Also, any strong heart raise has plenty of other calls to choose from. That said, i'm not sure this is a call I'd ever make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Quant. Perhaps the best reason it should be blackwood (or key card) is that it simplifies the auction after LHO bounds to 5♣ over our 3♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 it'd be rkc if they passed, so when they bid 2♣.... its rkc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I have an agreement with my regular partner that 4NT directly over a one bid, without any intervening forcing call on our part, is old fashioned ace only asking Blackwood. The intervening call by the opponents does not change that, as we could cue bid first before launching into RKCB. I don't see any reason for using a leap to 4NT here as a quantitative invitation. You will probably be able to accomplish that later in the auction without an immediate jump. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 since 1x-(3y)-4NT is quantitative, this should also be quantitative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 I have an agreement with my regular partner that 4NT directly over a one bid, without any intervening forcing call on our part, is old fashioned ace only asking Blackwood. The intervening call by the opponents does not change that, as we could cue bid first before launching into RKCB. I don't see any reason for using a leap to 4NT here as a quantitative invitation. You will probably be able to accomplish that later in the auction without an immediate jump. Agree with your first part. After intervention I think it should be natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 1♥ - (2♣) - 4N?1H is not limited.So how can 4NT be Quant. ? You go to your "priority list": When NO suit is agreed, it is RKC for ( your side's ) last bid suit ( Hts ).( Pinpoint Blackwood does not apply w/interference ). With NO interference:1x - 4NT = Pinpoint Blackwood??5C = no Aces5D = DA or 3A w/o DAetc.Next 3 bids show 2A using CRaSh:6C = 2A, same color6D = 2A, same ranketc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 It depends on what double shows. If this has to have four spades then you need a quantitative bid. Otherwise quantitative bids can go through double but then there is some potential for the auction to become somewhat awkward. 4NT Blackwood or key-card has a greater danger of being pre-empted if we go slowly than 4NT Natural. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 How about something semi-fancy. Since 1♥-(2♣)-4♠ tends to be natural, how about 4NT being a spade exclusion KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 1♥ - (2♣) - 4N?1H is not limited.So how can 4NT be Quant. ? Brilliant logic. LOL How can my bids possibly be limited if partner hasn't limited HIS hand yet??? I mean, that seems unfair. Partner should limit his hand first, so that I can limit my hand. Similarly, I have a complaint regarding limit raises. How does that possibly makes sense? I mean, if partner has a minimum, why are we bidding at the three-level? If partner has a maximum, why aren't we bidding game yet? Finally, if partner has a really big hand, why I am not bidding RKCB yet? Some people! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 RKCB, ... keep it simple. You dont need RKCB, but you dont need nat. either, becauseeven if you would have a natural 4NT, quite often you will haveways below 3NT to discover, if partner has add. values or not. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 22, 2009 Report Share Posted August 22, 2009 1♥ - (2♣) - 4N?1H is not limited.So how can 4NT be Quant. ? Brilliant logic. LOL How can my bids possibly be limited if partner hasn't limited HIS hand yet??? I mean, that seems unfair. Partner should limit his hand first, so that I can limit my hand. Some people! I don't think it is "unfair". I admit, I normally have experienced quantitative auctions where Opener has limited first, hence my original premise . Although there "clearly" are auctions where Responder has limited first.It doesn't seem so "clear" here unless there is a narrowly defined range for Quant 4NT WHICH no one has stated in their answers.- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alright, if 4NT is NOT RKC for Hts, then what does it show if it is Quantitative ( range...hcp-wise ) ? AND, for all who said Quant, do you all have the same range ? If 18 - 19 , then Opener would pass 4NT with a minumum: 12-14 and "go" with 15-17 ?Is that how the "logic" works here ? Again, what is the "standard" range here if 4NT is Quant ?- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Don - - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 The intervening call by the opponents does not change that, as we could cue bid first before launching into RKCB.That doesn't work very well if your opponents bid up to 5C by the time it is your next turn. I try to keep an open mind about such things as natural 4NTs and 4NTs that are "regular Blackwood", but I have to admit that it would not occur to me that 4NT in this auction was anything other than RKCB for hearts. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bidgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwery_hi Posted August 24, 2009 Report Share Posted August 24, 2009 1♥ - (2♣) - 4N?1H is not limited.So how can 4NT be Quant. ? Brilliant logic. LOL How can my bids possibly be limited if partner hasn't limited HIS hand yet??? I mean, that seems unfair. Partner should limit his hand first, so that I can limit my hand. Similarly, I have a complaint regarding limit raises. How does that possibly makes sense? I mean, if partner has a minimum, why are we bidding at the three-level? If partner has a maximum, why aren't we bidding game yet? Finally, if partner has a really big hand, why I am not bidding RKCB yet? Some people! Indeed. With 12-14 Partner should passWith 15-17 Partner bids 5NTWith 18-19 Partner bids 6NTWith 20-21 partner bids 7NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceblair Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 If you normally play RKC, then this seems to be RKC for hearts. I can imagine a hand where you would want to use regular Blackwood,but it seems much less likely. I do NOT think you can use 4NT now to mean one thing and bid followedby 4NT for the other, because the next player might well be bidding 5♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 1♥ - (2♣) - 4N? KISS ....rkc with a pickup/ I am really surprised by all the other comments....assuming no discussion. Granted with me it must be quant....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flameous Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 RKC but with the exception that anything pard bids afterwards is to play. (Except ♣ bids) Sometimes it would be better to be just blackwood, but more often RKC is better. Last time I discussed this was when p opened 1♥, overcalled by 1♠ and I hold Ax x - AKQJxxxxxx.Yeah, blackwood would make it sure (actually exclusion in ♦ would be ultimate but it wasn't discussed) but also with AK in ♥s the 7 is cold. Well of course this time p held ♥K and ♦A... tough luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted September 5, 2009 Report Share Posted September 5, 2009 4N=Gerber The "stolen Gerber concept". I can't bid 4C because that would be splinter, now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.