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[Elianna]

Partner opens 2S weak, at all white. RHO overcalls 3C. Your bid, and how long does it take you to do it?

[aguahombre]

pass...not long, unless partner is under 30/

[Phil]

3♠. We aren't getting rich off of 3♣, but I like my chances defending any 4 level contract.

[nigel_k]

Pass, in tempo. Probably 2♠ was the last making contract for either side. There's not such a high chance they will bid 4♥ and make it that I'm willing to turn a likely plus into a minus just to obstruct them.

[655321]

Is this IMPs or MP?

 

For me this is a WTP pass at IMPs. Not even close to a 3♠ bid, and double is unthinkable unless our agreement is that 2♠ is unusually strong.

 

If this is MP, then at least there is a case for acting w/w, but I still pass.

[Elianna]

matchpoints

[kenrexford]

Weird. I thought this would be a WTP double, and "real quick" as the answer (actually, "in tempo").

[the hog]

Easy pass. Don't need to think about this too hard.

[gwnn]

if a wtp is 1 and 'no idea' is 10, it's a pass, 2.

[awm]

I think that at MP scoring this is closer to a double than people make it out to be. Opposite a partner I knew was a sound preempter (or most of my partners at vulnerable) I would double. But NV playing with most people I pass.

[Codo]

I try 3 ♠.

I had taken me a while to decide between pass, double and 3 Spade.

[andy_h]

I would pass at both forms of scoring. I don't see any reason to act when I'm very likely getting a plus score.

[Fluffy]

agree with adam, at MPs double is a good option, and depends a bit on partner's style- I would take a bit before passing.

[pooltuna]

3♠ 5 to 10 seconds

[phil_20686]

I think all this thread tells us is that we dont agree on what a 2♠ opener looks like. If my parther can have

 

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Then i will pass. If as minimum you expect

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Then maybe there is some thought to bidding. However, i am aceless, and i had bidding 3s without 3 cards as the improved chacne of a very bad break significantly tilts the expectation. I will bid 3s only if playing 2s is semi constructive, rather than a pure preempt.

[MFA]

Pass for sure.

[rd6789]

Pass for sure.

yeah me too - where are my tricks? And I don't go to the 3 level on an 8 card fit. 3C probably one off but if I X I tell dec where the clubs are and he may turn one off to a make

[benlessard]

Easy nonchalant pass.

 

I tend to be quick on the double here because I expect 2S to be making. You wont get rich in 3C -1/-2, But after the double its surely possible they run to 3H and be -1 or make it. So 3C -2 might not be so bad after all.

[kenrexford]

I understand that partner might have a weak version of a weak two, but he could have an average or strong hand for his weak two.

 

I also understand that RHO might have all of his 3♣ bid. But, he could have a pressured decision.

 

I also understand that 3♣ might make. But, it's matchpoints, so I want to know what is the most likely result.

 

If everyone thinks 3♣ is probably going set, and if 3♣ is the par bid, then +100 is not that much more impressive at raw scoring than +50, but it sure is a lot better at MP.

 

Sure, the club suit might be better played, maybe. Sure, hearts might be a better target.

 

Then again, maybe partner has a nice hand for defense and hammers 3♥. Maybe LHO pulls 3♣X to 3♥ but would have pulled 3♣ undoubled to 3♥. Maybe partner can still double 3♥ for penalties. Who knows?