Cascade Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=st7ht7652dkqt42c9]133|100|Scoring: MPPASS (3♠) Dbl (PASS)4♥ (PASS) PASS (4♠)?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 yeah 5 diamonds now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Pass, Nth has no idea what he is doing and has made the last guess on the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 5♦. I would have bid over 4♠ last round, so not sure why I should sell out just because North made a 'cost-free' pass over the double. Happy to get both my suits in. (OK, just noticed we are R/W at MP. Pass is more attractive than I first thought, but I think I still bid 5♦.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 5♦ now o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Yeah 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 X to warn partner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Is 5♦ being bid as a potential sacrifice or because we hope to make? I would presume the odds are against us making 11 tricks in either ♦ or ♥. Partner needs to produce at least 3 of these: ♠ singleton; ♦ A; ♥AKxx or ♥KQJx; ♣A. If partner has other ♣ honors (not ♣A), the ♣ values are wasted in offence but not in defence. Defending should produce a plus score more often than not; and I will settle for Dbl. If partner has a hand suitable for offense, he could make the bid of 5♥ over my double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Pass, which should be forcing as the opps were willing to play in only 3♠. I'm happy if partner bids on, or Xs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 19, 2009 Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Pass, which should be forcing as the opps were willing to play in only 3♠. I'm happy if partner bids on, or Xs. North never had the option of playing in 3♠, your partner doubled it....North had the option of bidding 4♠ before or after you made a call, and, for some reason, chose the latter. If this was because his next bid depended upon yours, or just to confuse matters, you don't know. And there's no logical reason why a forcing pass should apply for your side based upon North bidding 4♠ the previous round or now. It would/could be different if he had passed 3♠ in a position where that might become the final contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Pass, which should be forcing as the opps were willing to play in only 3♠. I'm happy if partner bids on, or Xs. The opponents were willing to play in 3♠ Doubled which is quite a different thing than being willing to play in 3♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2009 Is 5♦ being bid as a potential sacrifice or because we hope to make? I would presume the odds are against us making 11 tricks in either ♦ or ♥. Partner needs to produce at least 3 of these: ♠ singleton; ♦ A; ♥AKxx or ♥KQJx; ♣A. If partner has other ♣ honors (not ♣A), the ♣ values are wasted in offence but not in defence. Defending should produce a plus score more often than not; and I will settle for Dbl. If partner has a hand suitable for offense, he could make the bid of 5♥ over my double. Partner did force to the four-level when we were a PASSed hand. The question really is if partner was willing to play the four-level opposite an average PASSed hand do we have sufficient additional offense to play the five-level ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I love this shape, 5 ♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 At teams I think 5D is clear - could be a game both ways. At pairs more tricky but I do have an offensive hand so 5D probably again - pass can't be forcing so I have to decide myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Pass, which should be forcing as the opps were willing to play in only 3♠. I'm happy if partner bids on, or Xs. The opponents were willing to play in 3♠ Doubled which is quite a different thing than being willing to play in 3♠. From what I've seen I think most times the opponents would bid 4♠ to make on hands that they would likely make 4♠ the first round as to give us less time to find a profitable sac or makable game ourselves, or to nail us if we bid wrongly on the 5 level. Since everyone here seems to agree that pass is non-forcing however, then I still pass - your hand is missing too many aces to make the 5 lvl likely to make, especially with the fact that the heart honors the opps have are likely to be over partner's honors. The scoring also makes a vulnerable game not as attractive at MPs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&n=shkqj4daj86ckj864&w=skq98654h93d73cq7&e=saj32ha8d95cat532&s=st7ht7652dkqt42c9]399|300|Scoring: MP[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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