Cascade Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 If not what now? Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ KJ96 ♥ AKJ43 ♦ K ♣ J85 West North East South - - Pass 1♥ 1♠ Dbl Pass ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peachy Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'm not confident about it but I will bid 1NT now. I would not open 1NT with 4-5/5-4 majors. Had the 4-5 been another combination, 1NT opening is okay, for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Passing for penalties might work well , especially if LHO is an aggressive overcaller. If you don't like penalty passes "under the trumps" on the 1 level , I think the alternative is 2NT, 1NT is an underbid. I think 2NT rebid in competition should not be 18-19, it is needed for "strong notrump strength" hands with length in opps suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Weren't there 2-3 threads on this a bit earlier and most people agreed that with a non-minimum unbalanced hand with a good 4 card holding in their suit best is to pass for penalties? I don't have much experience about this situation (it seems to come up rarely) so I'll believe them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 To open 1NT on a 4513 shape seems ridiculous, Ok now you are in a tricky spot, but I think 1NT here would be 12-14, with 18-19 I can bid 3NT so that leaves 2NT which seems right - a semi-balanced 15-17 hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 2♠ = GF, jumps are invitational so 2NT for me. I need better texture in spades to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 To open 1NT on a 4513 shape seems ridiculous, Ok now you are in a tricky spot, but I think 1NT here would be 12-14, with 18-19 I can bid 3NT so that leaves 2NT which seems right - a semi-balanced 15-17 hand 4=5=1=3 is hardly ideal but you aren't that well placed with this hand after 1♥ 1NT even 1♥ 2♣ and 1♥ 2♦ aren't that great. I suppose you will have to introduce your spades but if 2minor is not game force then your hand is not that great. Not that I am saying that you should open 1NT but I think ridiculous is an overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 To open 1NT on a 4513 shape seems ridiculous, Ok now you are in a tricky spot, but I think 1NT here would be 12-14, with 18-19 I can bid 3NT so that leaves 2NT which seems right - a semi-balanced 15-17 hand 4=5=1=3 is hardly ideal but you aren't that well placed with this hand after 1♥ 1NT even 1♥ 2♣ and 1♥ 2♦ aren't that great. I suppose you will have to introduce your spades but if 2minor is not game force then your hand is not that great. Not that I am saying that you should open 1NT but I think ridiculous is an overbid. if partner bids at the 2 level I think I am well-placed - I bid 2♠ and we get to 3NT or an appropriate game. After a 1NT response I can bid 2 can't I ? I am ok opening 1NT on 5422 but with a singelton K and so many values in the majors it does seem very off centre ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Agree with Cascade wrt the merits of a 1NT opening. I think I bid 2♣ now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Agree with Cascade wrt the merits of a 1NT opening. unless you do it a lot my worry opening 45 in the majors in 1NT would be: how you find your 5-3 heart fit playing 4-card stayman and your 4-4 spade fit playing 5-card stayman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I think 'terrible' is a value bid, not an underbid. You have 9 cards in the majors and a singleton. Maybe with a 3-6-3-1 though... ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 I think 'terrible' is a value bid, not an underbid. You have 9 cards in the majors and a singleton. Maybe with a 3-6-3-1 though... ;) On the scale is "terrible" before or after "ridiculous"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Whoops that was an error ;) I think terrible is a little better than ridiculous, so maybe ridiculous was a slight overbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Repeat after me.... This hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymore ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 What is Flannery? And btw, how many front doors lead out directly onto a bus route? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Repeat after me.... This hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymore ;) Perfect. We discover our misfit at the two-level instead of the one-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 and alert opponents of it. Please don't use the F* word on this forums, there might be children reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 And btw, how many front doors lead out directly onto a bus route? Hopefully none. I'd much prefer that they lead out to the bus stop, and not directly into the bus route. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Hm this is all I found. They were vulnerable and it was MP. http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=296368 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Repeat after me.... This hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymoreThis hand is why I will not hate Flannery anymore :) Perfect. We discover our misfit at the two-level instead of the one-level. And won't be able to show our extra strength beyond the 3-level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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