TylerE Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 MP, N dealer, Both Vulns North deals, and has: ♠ A76♥ AQ7♦ AQ852♣ 43 vs ♠ KQJ432♥ K96♦ K6♣ Ax Edit: Now south has 13 cards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Edit: This was back when South hand has a stiff A♣, sorta assumed a 7th spade... I think with the extra club loser, I would probably just settle for 6♠, despite reasonable chances for the overtrick. Playing 2/1, 1N-4♥ 15-17, Texas4♠-4N keycard5♣-5N 0/3 (known to be 3), specific K ask6♠-7♠ none, punt The grand is on opener covering the heart loser, and even with a minimum he'll have need a couple of quacks on top of his known 12 points in aces that make the grand on a finesse at worst. Either red queen makes it cold, and there are finesse chances with any red jack (including a favorable opening lead), setting up a long suit (diamonds here), maybe a ruffing finesse in clubs, etc. Playing my strong club relay system (and updated the for 13th card), 1♣-1♥ 16+, 4+ ♠ unbal1♠-2♣ relay, long spades2♦-3♥ relay, 6322 shape4♣-4N RKC♠, 2+Q5♣-5N ♥ control ask, King6♣-6N ♦ control ask, King7N-P Once you know about the red kings, North knows the grand is on spades coming in and might as well play in NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 South has 12 cards. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 very good system rob, but you should count your cards before bidding :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 1♦ 1♠ Natural 4+; Natural 4+1NT* 3♠* 15-17; Forcing 6+ spades usually no shortage4♦* 4♥* 1st/2nd cues4NT* 5♠* RKCB; 2 with queen5NT* 6♦* Ask Kings; ♦K6♥* 7♥* Anything else; ♥ K7NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 1NT-2H2S-6S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 It would be very easy in one of my old partnerships. 1NT - 3♠ (balanced slam try)4♦ - 4♥ (cuebids)4NT - 5♦ (Culbertson - cue)5♥ - 5NT (cue - ♠Q)7NT 4♦/♥ normal quebids, both showing at least 1KC.4NT showed 3KC.5♦ normal que, showed a 2nd KC.5♥ showed the ♥Q5NT shows the possesion of 5KC + trump queen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 1N 2H2S 4C (RKCB)4H 5C (0/3; confirming all keycards and asking for kings)5S 5N (none; ok how about queens)6D 6H (♦Q; anything else?_7H 7N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 The key seems one of the following:- North asks keycards- South can ask for both Queens- you use relays (always easy) I'd start:1NT - 2♥ (14+-17 ; trf)2♠ - 3♥! (acc ; GF 6+♠)3♠! - 3NT (obligated ; balanced slam going, start cuebidding)4♦! - ... (cue ; ...) Now it depends: if South decides to bid 4♥ you'll find grand, if he asks keycards you won't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Nothing very special 1NT-3♠4♦-4♥4NT-5♠6♦-7.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 1NT-2H2S-6S This works for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 MP, N dealer, Both Vulns North deals, and has: ♠ A76♥ AQ7♦ AQ852♣ 43 vs ♠ KQJ432♥ K96♦ K6♣ Ax Edit: Now south has 13 cards... 1nt=4h4s=4nt5c=5h5s=6d7nt 4h=texas4nt=rkc5c=0-35h=KH (confirms all key cards) btw 5d would have been Q of trump ask.5s=no outside Kings6d=KD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 1NT-4♥-4♠-4NT-5♣-7♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 I think I'd screw around on this one as Responder, actually: 1NT(14+ to 17)-2♥(transfer)2♠(no super)-3♣(ostensibly a second suit -- screwing around)3♠(fit, not bust)-3NT(serious)4♦(no club A/K/Q, two of the top three diamonds)-4NT(RKCB)5♣/♦(whichever shows 3)-? At this point, there are several routes to the grand, but each version is so bizarrely my world that I'll spare you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 1♦ 2♠ playing WNT; SJS3♠ 4♣ support; cue4NT 5♠ RKB; 2+Q5NT 6♦ Specific King ask;♦K6♥ 6NT ♥K ask; yes7NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 20, 2009 Report Share Posted August 20, 2009 Isn't this trivial? 1NT-3♠4♦-4♥5♥-6♦7NT 3♠ = one-suited slam try without shortage 4♦ denied a club control, so 4♥ promised one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 MP, N dealer, Both Vulns North deals, and has: ♠ A76♥ AQ7♦ AQ852♣ 43 vs ♠ KQJ432♥ K96♦ K6♣ Ax Edit: Now south has 13 cards...This is a variation of Mike777's auction -- a different interpretation of the 5H-ask .I'm not sure it is correct since I've never seen it before. 5D would have been the "next step" trump Q-ask; 2nd (non-trump) step is the first Specific K-ask :replier bids the cheapest bid K where 5NT = feature asked for in the asking suit.After 5H - ????5S = no outside K's5NT = hK6C = cK6D = dK______________________ 1NT - 4H!4S - 4NT ( 0 3, 14 ...)5C - 5H ( 2nd step = specific K-ask, not tell; confirms all key cards+sQ )5S - 5NT ( since 5S = no K's, thus 5NT must be specific Q-ask )6D - 6H ( 6D =dQ but no cQ; how about the hQ ?)6NT - 7NT ( 6NT reply = feature asked for, hQ; 6S would have been "no" , 7H would have shown hQ & hJ and 7S would have shown x x doubleton ).________________________ This auction has the unique feature that NO outside K's isdetermined with the 5S bid -- normally it would be the 6S bid if 5NT had to be the specific K-ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 I think I'd screw around on this one as Responder not you - what are the forums coming to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 Isn't this trivial? 1NT-3♠4♦-4♥5♥-6♦7NT 3♠ = one-suited slam try without shortage 4♦ denied a club control, so 4♥ promised one. And we know about the spade solidity how? Might not responder bid the same way without the ♠Q with other compensating values ♣Q and maybe some side jacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 21, 2009 Report Share Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) And we know about the spade solidity how? Might not responder bid the same way without the ♠Q with other compensating values ♣Q and maybe some side jacks. I don't think responder should put much value on ♣Q, as both players know we don't have ♣K. It's hard to picture a responding hand where responder would make a grand slam try and we have a potential trump loser. Having said that, at matchpoints I'd want to be in 7NT with KJ10xxx Kxx Kx Ax opposite Axx AQx AQxxx xx. Wouldn't you? Edited August 21, 2009 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DinKun Posted August 23, 2009 Report Share Posted August 23, 2009 1♣ - presision 1♠ - 5+cards in sp1NT - ask for controls 2♠ - 5 controls3♠ - ask for spades 4♠ - 6+ cards with 2 top onores5♦ - ask for diamonds 5NT - king in diamonds6♣ - ask for clubs 6NT - Ace in clubs (with Ace and king in clubs - 7♣)7NT - (Ace in clubs, King in diamonds,King in hearts, King and Queen in spades;6 spades, 3 hearts, 3 diamonds and 1 club = 13 tricks) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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