Cascade Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Dealer: East Vul: EW Scoring: IMP ♠ Q9 ♥ AK4 ♦ T982 ♣ AK93 West North East South - - Pass 1♣ Pass 1♠ Pass 1NT Pass 2♥ Pass 2♠ Pass 4NT Pass ? Edited Auction to remove final two Passes. 1♣, 1♠ Natural1NT 15-172♥ 5+ spades4NT Quantitative Are you moving? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I am not moving, something fitting such as ♠AKJxx ♦AQx and a jack is giving us a bad slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ♠AKJxx ♦AQx and a jack is giving us a bad slam. This is a boring 15 count - I wouldn't expect partner to invite on that v 15-17 I am for 6 - the Q♠ is very good and I am not minimum - I would like partner to play it to protect his ♦ so I will try 6♠ ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3? You are forced in case partner is weak. 15 with concentrated honnors deosn't look bad but maybe a fitting queen is more likelly. As I see it if aprtner has Queens opposite AK it will be nice, but Jacks are not. But in addition he must have good spades, something like AJxxx or AKxxx is gonna make a bad slam, slam is never gonan be very good, but it can be very bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 15, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ♠AKJxx ♦AQx and a jack is giving us a bad slam. This is a boring 15 count - I wouldn't expect partner to invite on that v 15-17 I am for 6 - the Q♠ is very good and I am not minimum - I would like partner to play it to protect his ♦ so I will try 6♠ ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3? No as Fluffy said this is the only way out to 2♠. You must bid 2♠ even if you have made an offbeat 1NT rebid with a singleton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3? You are forced in case partner is weak. ok I didn't realise that. But my main poitn is partner has asked me to evaluate where I am on the 15-17 band and I have 16 with a good Q so not minimum so I bid a slam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I've got a good 16, 6 controls, 3 honours in partners suits, surely I'm moving. Alternative bids are 5NT, 6♥ and 6NT. Prefer 6♥, to emphasize my good holding there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 3 honours in partners suits i think you mis-read the bidding - 2♥ a transfer not a suit.... but I agree with you that you must move :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 I would bid 6N. Fluffy, I wouldn't call a balanced 15 count with one point in my suits "fitting". Also, the hand you construct is not such a bad slam as you have criss-cross squeeze chances in addition to just getting 3 diamond tricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 15, 2009 Report Share Posted August 15, 2009 Partner asked me if I'm maximum, I have a good 16 with an honour for partner. So I bid 6NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Prime values and honors in partner's suits make this a great hand. 6NT I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 17, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit. It wasn't mentioned in the OP but we don't bid this way with four clubs and the only hand with four diamonds that bids this way is precisely 5=2=4=2 or maybe 5=3=4=1 with a stiff club honour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit. It wasn't mentioned in the OP but we don't bid this way with four clubs and the only hand with four diamonds that bids this way is precisely 5=2=4=2 or maybe 5=3=4=1 with a stiff club honour. Good to know. In that case I bid 5N :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 5NT just in case we have a 4-4 minor fit. It wasn't mentioned in the OP but we don't bid this way with four clubs and the only hand with four diamonds that bids this way is precisely 5=2=4=2 or maybe 5=3=4=1 with a stiff club honour. Good to know. In that case I bid 5N :D 5NT works well too as a blame-transfer bid :P actually now that skaeran mentioned it 6♥, allowing partner to pick between 6♥, 6♠ and 6NT is probably better than bidding 6NT. *Wonders what bidding 6♦ would be - pick a slam? 2245? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 passing is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 ps why did I bid 2♠? doesnt that suggest 3? You are forced in case partner is weak. ok I didn't realise that. But my main poitn is partner has asked me to evaluate where I am on the 15-17 band and I have 16 with a good Q so not minimum so I bid a slam I agree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 (edited) I would bid 6N. Fluffy, I wouldn't call a balanced 15 count with one point in my suits "fitting". Also, the hand you construct is not such a bad slam as you have criss-cross squeeze chances in addition to just getting 3 diamond tricks.If Fluffy's optimistic partner has ♠10 instead of the rounded-suit jack, it's a good slam even without any squeeze chances. AQx opposite 1098x is worth three tricks more than half the time: low to the queen, followed by the ace if it holds and another finesse if it doesn't, works when RHO has J, Jx, Jxx, Kxx, xxx, Jxxx, Kxxx, xxxx, Jxxxx or Kxxxx. Pavilecek's calculator says that that's 53% of the time. Edited August 17, 2009 by gnasher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Not to imply I know what I'm talking about, but suitplay says you need to play low to Q and then run the T regardless if the Q held, claiming a 61.9% chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Suitplay's line loses to Jx offside but picks up x and xx offside. That does seem rather better. I think I was talking about how to play 109xx opposite AQx, though it's possible that I wasn't talking about anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 After looking at this hand many times I think: -If partner has Qs opposite AK we are ok, if he has Js we are in trouble.-If partner has ♠10 we are ok, if he doesn't we are in trouble.-If partner's doubleton is diamonds we are in trouble. But having ♠10 or Queens and not Jacks is more like a matter of luck, sure he might have upgraded or downgraded his way through, but evaluating this is like fliping many coins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Fluffy, is there any 2344 16-count where you would accept partner's slam try? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 Suitplay's line loses to Jx offside but picks up x and xx offside. That does seem rather better. I think I was talking about how to play 109xx opposite AQx, though it's possible that I wasn't talking about anything at all. Indeed it is (but 46% says sp). Thanks for the ostensibly sidetracking comment, now I learned something from this thread :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 18, 2009 Report Share Posted August 18, 2009 We have AKAK, the Q in partner's suit, and several good pips. Moving seems obvious to me. Unless this is a trick question - we can't move, because in the original diagram there are 3 passes to conclude the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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