gwnn Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I opened 3D but my p punished me :P he had a 14 count with no source of tricks but Ax of diamonds and bid 3NT:( he got doubled but didn't run. Sad story of gwnn trying to be 655321:( (actually it went 3D-x-3NT-x) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 2D, prefer pass to 3D. Hmm, wow I didn't remember this thread and thought P>2D>3D lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 2♦ seems quite normal to me. Wonder why I didn't answer the first time, I'm sure my mind hasn't changed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 2♦ seems quite normal to me. Wonder why I didn't answer the first time, I'm sure my mind hasn't changed. BUT WE HAVE A SIDE FOUR CARD MAJOR!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I missed this one as well, and think its a clear 2♦. people that argue about 4cM seem to think Jxxx is the same as AQxx and it is not remotelly close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I would open 2♦ without reservation w/r. I am closer to a 3♦ bid than a pass. amen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 2♦ seems quite normal to me. Wonder why I didn't answer the first time, I'm sure my mind hasn't changed. BUT WE HAVE A SIDE FOUR CARD MAJOR!!!!!! if the colors were equal it would be a consideration. If the colors were reversed I would be thinking what kind of idiot preempts with this :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 2♦ seems quite normal to me. Wonder why I didn't answer the first time, I'm sure my mind hasn't changed. BUT WE HAVE A SIDE FOUR CARD MAJOR!!!!!! Ok sorry I bid stayman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I'd open 2♦. At a regional tournament over the summer I held a hand like this in a knockout match. At my table I opened 2♦. Partner held a strong notrump, and the auction continued (opponents passing): 2♦(1) - 2NT(2)3♣(3) - 3♦(4)3♠(5) - 4♠(6) (1) Weak two(2) Ogust(3) Bad suit, bad hand(4) To play(5) Natural!(6) Making four... At the other table our opponents passed my hand (not sure if they decided not to open 2♦ based on the side major, or if they had some other meaning for the 2♦ opener). Their auction: Pass - 1NT(1)2NT(2) - 3♦(3)Pass (1) 15-17(2) Unfortunately cannot bid stayman and get out in 3♦ if partner has 4♥ and no 4♠ so chose to transfer to diamonds(3) Not a great hand for diamonds So weirdly, the 2♦ opening helped us to find the 4-4 spade fit. Likely not a common situation of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanp Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I think it was your 3S bid that helped you find 4S, not 2D. Did you have any reason to suspect your partner had more than a strong notrump, or spade length? If not, it seems like it was your superior judgement to force to the 4-level that made you find the spade game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhantomSac Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I missed this one as well, and think its a clear 2♦. people that argue about 4cM seem to think Jxxx is the same as AQxx and it is not remotelly close. I mean I was joking but obviously having a 4 card major is a flaw, having shitty defensive values is a flaw, esp when your shortness is clubs, because them not making anything and partner phantom saccing becomes more likely, your suit has good intermediates but it's still a crappy suit and it's defensive, etc etc, so 3 minor flaws. Obv I don't feel too strongly about 2D vs pass given that when it was first posted I bid 2D, and then when I saw it again I chose pass, I might choose either depending on a number of factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 I think it was your 3S bid that helped you find 4S, not 2D. Did you have any reason to suspect your partner had more than a strong notrump, or spade length? If not, it seems like it was your superior judgement to force to the 4-level that made you find the spade game. I think his point was fair. If you open 2♦ you are describing a feature of your hand immediately and may have time to describe another feature later. If you pass then you are describing nothing and may not have time to show both features later, so you may guess wrongly which one to go for. That's exactly what happened in his story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 The point of the story was that Adam forced to 3 NT on a misfit opposite a non fitting strong NT and the other player did not. It worked well. Last weekend my teammates played in 6 Heart off two cashing aces. It worked well too. So I took Adams story as what it was: a nice little story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdonn Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 The point of the story was that Adam forced to 3 NT on a misfit opposite a non fitting strong NT and the other player did not. It worked well. Non-fitting? They had already found a fit. Forced to 3NT? They could play in either 3♠ or 4♦ if they wanted to. No need to make exaggerations to get our point across. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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