Phil Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Ax5xxxAJTxAxx Weak NTers can keep quiet on this one please. 1♦ - (1♥) - 1♠ - pass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Ax5xxxAJTxAxx Weak NTers can keep quiet on this one please. 1♦ - (1♥) - 1♠ - pass? presumably your 1♠ bid shows 5. So 2♠ looks like the best lie available IMO. This is a really ugly hand for those who use 1♠ to show 4 or more and the -X to show 3 or less :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I wish to first officially state: "Yuck!" Phil. Great problem. Where did you find this gem? It seems that the issues here are at least two-fold (fwiw, I'm not very good at folding- ask my wife.) 1) What rebid is the least lie, the least of evils? & 2) what rebid will best allow for partner to re-evaluate his/her hand after my response to 1S. I admit that, on a lot of occasions, depending on whom my partner is, i might rebid 1NT. Balanced 12-14, no 3 or 4-card spade support, etc., etc. Who knows, I might talk lho out of leading hearts against NT although my 5432 of hearts increases the chance that lho would still have a natural heart lead. How well can you bluff? However, at this moment (always subject to change), I think that a 2-spade raise is the least lie and might be more helpful in a competitive auction for the following reasons: I play that my partner's 1 spade bid (after the opps overcalled 1 heart) pretty-much promises 5+ spades. Ax doesn't seem to be such poor support considering the likelihood that one would raise on 3-card support. In addition, partner, in re-evaluating his/her hand, will be placing some potentially wasted heart values in my hand that I don't have when deciding on what, if any, action partner would take if I rebid 1NT. (I would not be thrilled to hear partner raise to 3NT on the assumption that I can stop hearts. Yes, partner could also have a heart stopper.) Granted, partner likely is relatively short in hearts, but so is rho. Partner could be vulnerable to being either tapped in hearts or over-ruffed by rho in a spade contract. But, hopefully, my aces would offer some protection from rho reaching his partner's hand quickly for another over-ruff or trump promotion. In addition to the above, the value of my hand would increase should partner be somewhat 2-suited.I don't know if others would agree with my reasoning, but it is what it is. When do I get to make my pitch for weak or 13-16 1NT openers? lol Again, thanks for the post, Phil DHL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karlson Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1n for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1nt this doesnt show a stop (I assume this thread will make jtfanclub happy) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Is there some other bid but 1NT? Raise spades with a doubleton, perhaps. I wouldn't be angry if partner raised my spades here. His call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1NT obviously wich shows 12-14 balanced, just what we've got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 1NT shows 12-14 balanced.Even assuming the usual "standard" in America where 1♠ shows 5, I prefer 1NT to a raise on 2 cards and no ruffing value. 1NT is a value bid and if PD is concerned about a stopper for NT he can ask me later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matmat Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 i bet i can fill in the heart spots. 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 2♠ - partner will have 5 (on my methods) and my hand looks suit orientated and I don't like to bid 1NT on xxxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effervesce Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 2♠ - if it was Txxx I'd bid 1NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 1NT WTP. 2♠ on a doubleton just seems bizarre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 depends on the heart spots :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilipshind Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 1 nt if not vul and pass if vul. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 1 nt if not vul and pass if vul.LOL. Your partner will start shopping for another partner. Pass is not an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Before I post the spoiler, I want Justin's and Han's answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Before I post the spoiler, I want Justin's and Han's answers. I didn't reply to this because I went back and fourth. My only real comment is that xxxx is significantly worse for bidding 1N than xxx. With xxx I would routinely bid 1N. Even with xxxx I lean towards 1N, but the aces and prime nature of the hand really seems to argue for a suit contract. So I lean towards 2S, but then I think about how bad this is if partner does have Hxx of hearts... Overall I think it's 1N but I would not care which one my partner chose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatchett Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 1NT for me. Show hand type and doesn't promise a stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Or:Ax5xxxAJTxAQx Strong NTers can keep quiet on this one please. I'm in the 1NT camp either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Han's "smallest lie" and this... As I was looking at old threads, I can across this gem. One of the areas where (at least BBF) has changed (evolved) is the willingness to bid 1N without a stopper in these cases without stopper. Notwithstanding Justin's recent comment about xxx being better than xxxx (which I agree with), I thought it would be interesting to look at views four years ago versus now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenrexford Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Before I post the spoiler, I want Justin's and Han's answers. I didn't reply to this because I went back and fourth. My only real comment is that xxxx is significantly worse for bidding 1N than xxx. With xxx I would routinely bid 1N. Even with xxxx I lean towards 1N, but the aces and prime nature of the hand really seems to argue for a suit contract. So I lean towards 2S, but then I think about how bad this is if partner does have Hxx of hearts... Overall I think it's 1N but I would not care which one my partner chose. Are you frightened by how close our answers are??? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 OH some old threads where my view is almost the same, nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 One of the areas where (at least BBF) has changed (evolved) is the willingness to bid 1N without a stopper in these cases without stopper. If so, BBF has been rather slow to adopt the idea. I have a book from 1980 which recommends a 1NT rebid on such hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 One of the areas where (at least BBF) has changed (evolved) is the willingness to bid 1N without a stopper in these cases without stopper. If so, BBF has been rather slow to adopt the idea. I have a book from 1980 which recommends a 1NT rebid on such hands. You Brits are ahead of us anyway, you bid TWO notrump without a stopper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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