nick_s Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 You are in 2nd seat. Red vs White. Mps ♠ KQ4♥ KJ865♦ 9642♣ 6 (1♦) ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 You are in 2nd seat. Red vs White. Mps ♠ KQ4♥ KJ865♦ 9642♣ 6 (1♦) ? nonexpert response: I would pass here for two reasons, we are at unfav vul and I have 4d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 1H is beyond obvious. You have a fine suit and a fine hand. You do not need an opening hand to overcall at the 1 level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echognome Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Agree with the auto 1♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Totally automatic 1H overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I would pass here for two reasons, we are at unfav vul and I have 4d. The four diamonds are not a liability, in fact they increase the chance that partner will be short in diamonds and/or have something in hearts. I would bid though I certainly wouldn't say I have a fine suit or a fine hand, unless by 'fine' you mean barely adequate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I would pass here for two reasons, we are at unfav vul and I have 4d. The four diamonds are not a liability, in fact they increase the chance that partner will be short in diamonds and/or have something in hearts. AHhhhhhhhh no they don't! Stop spreading this myth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shyams Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1H is beyond obvious. You have a fine suit and a fine hand. You do not need an opening hand to overcall at the 1 level.Thank you. If I had faced this at a table, I'd pass :)A question: If the original condition was Red vs White @ IMPs instead of @MPs, would you still have overcalled 1H? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Well, taking into account the 4 diamonds, and the red white situation, and the fact that 1♥ over 1♦ doesn't preempt them in the slightest, I think I still bid. Personally I don't think this hand has really anything in the tank though - change the ♠Q for the J and I'm probably not bothering. Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 I would pass here for two reasons, we are at unfav vul and I have 4d. The four diamonds are not a liability, in fact they increase the chance that partner will be short in diamonds and/or have something in hearts. AHhhhhhhhh no they don't! Stop spreading this myth! It's not a myth. Compared to the same hand with minors reversed, he is slightly more likely to have length and honours in hearts and a lot more likely to have diamond shortage. Anyone with a simulator can verify this but I already know the answer so don't need to. When they play diamonds this makes the difference between us overruffing them and them overruffing us. My main point was not that the diamonds are a huge asset, just that they are a small positive rather than a reason not to bid as was originally suggested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1♥. Not deterred by my diamond length. Passing is losing bridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 It's not a myth. Compared to the same hand with minors reversed, he is slightly more likely to have length and honours in hearts This is not true. The reason it is good to bid with length in their suit is your second point, that partner will be overruffing LHO. It is NOT more likely that partner has longer hearts than if our minors were reversed. Awm and/or Han have already done this simulation to disprove this theory before, wish I knew how to find the thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neilkaz Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1H is beyond obvious. You have a fine suit and a fine hand. You do not need an opening hand to overcall at the 1 level. Agree completely..9 HCP none of which are unprotected, a decent 5 card suit that is higher than the one they opened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 It's not a myth. Compared to the same hand with minors reversed, he is slightly more likely to have length and honours in hearts This is not true. The reason it is good to bid with length in their suit is your second point, that partner will be overruffing LHO. It is NOT more likely that partner has longer hearts than if our minors were reversed. Awm and/or Han have already done this simulation to disprove this theory before, wish I knew how to find the thread! Are you looking for this thread? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 The reason it is good to bid with length in their suit is your second point, that partner will be overruffing LHO.I agree. So liking both my red suits as well as the blacks 1♥ seems obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Sure looks adequate to me for 1H any type of scoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 It's not a myth. Compared to the same hand with minors reversed, he is slightly more likely to have length and honours in hearts This is not true. The reason it is good to bid with length in their suit is your second point, that partner will be overruffing LHO. It is NOT more likely that partner has longer hearts than if our minors were reversed. Awm and/or Han have already done this simulation to disprove this theory before, wish I knew how to find the thread! Are you looking for this thread? You the man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 1♥ sorry Mike but 4 trashy diamonds just means we don't have to worry about being overruffed if we have a ♥ fit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skjaeran Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Easy 1♥. You're style is too sound if you have to pass this - you're giving your opps a free ride far too often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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