Let partner out?

[Jlall]

AJT9 x JTx QJTxx

 

w/w imps you are 2nd seat.

 

P P 1D 2C

p 2D p 2H

p ?

 

What do you bid? If you bid 2S partner bids 3C, what do you over that? First time partnership but your partner is known as an aggressive player.

[Echognome]

I will let my partner out in 4♣.

 

I bid 2♠, then bid 3♦ over 3♣. If partner bids anything except 3NT, I bid 4♣.

[shyams]

I bid 2♠, then bid 3♦ over 3♣. If partner bids anything except 3NT, I bid 4♣.

Agree with this, except I would drag partner to 5C not 4

[Hanoi5]

3♦ after 2♠-3♣. If 3♠ then 4♣, if 3NT pass.

[WesleyC]

I'd start with 2S 3C then 3D and after:

 

3H 5C - If partner is shapely 5c must have play.

3S 4C - Expecting partner to pass with 2 losing diamonds but to usually bid game with a stiff diamond.

3NT P

4C P

[peachy]

This is a tough problem. The range of the not-vul overcall in 1D-2C can logically begin lower because it takes away so much room. Then again, they opened in third seat and their responder passed 2C, that responder doesn't hold much.

 

I plan on passing 3C when he bids it over 2S unless my 2D and 2S bids have created a situation (by agreement or by some expert standard that I don't know about) that I promise to act one more time over 3C, but I don't think such promises can apply for a passed hand. I'm not too confident about my choice but it is a non-vul game, if we miss it I'll have to hope we beat them in other hands ;)

[Fluffy]

the hand doesnt seem to fit very well, I am happy bidding just 3♣ over 2♥.

[Free]

I'd bid 2♠ and see what happens.

[ochinko]

I don't want partner to get excited too much, so 2♠ then 5♣ over 3♣.

[pooltuna]

AJT9 x JTx QJTxx

 

w/w imps you are 2nd seat.

 

P P 1D 2C

p 2D p 2H

p ?

 

What do you bid? If you bid 2S partner bids 3C, what do you over that? First time partnership but your partner is known as an aggressive player.

yeah I bid 2♠ and at these colors the rewards are not sufficiently enticing so I pass 3♣

[nick_s]

AJT9 x JTx QJTxx

 

w/w imps you are 2nd seat.

 

P P 1D 2C

p 2D p 2H

p ?

 

What do you bid? If you bid 2S partner bids 3C, what do you over that? First time partnership but your partner is known as an aggressive player.

I don't think 2♦ has necessarily promised club support, so it seems wrong to just leave partner in 3♣ over 2♠ when we're looking at QJTxx in his suit. 5♣ could easily be on: give partner the perfecto of: x Axxx xx AKxxxx.

 

I'm bidding 2♠ followed by 4♣ over 3♣ (and hoping we don't have 3 diamond losers and a major suit loser).

[aguahombre]

Surprised some of the repliers didn't complain about the original pass :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, though, I will eventually stop torturing partner at 4C.

[Jlall]

I'd bid 2♠ and see what happens.

Great post thanks.

[cherdanno]

2D then 2S then pass 3C. There are many reasonable hands for partner where 9 tricks are the limit - xx KQxx xx AKxxx. I can see making one more try with 4C but forcing to game seems too much to me.

 

Edit: I forgot to mention the main reason why partner is likely to have 5 clubs only - the opponents are silent with almost 20 hcp, seems unlikely that they both have club shortness. Of course, if your partner would often overcall 1♥ with 2425 shape and good hearts, then bidding on gets more interesting.

[Free]

I'd bid 2♠ and see what happens.

Great post thanks.

Ok, so partner bids 3♣ (obviously I didn't read that far JLOLLY - thanks for pointing that out to me)... 3♦ now

[Jlall]

I drove to 4C. This seemed right at the time because I was placing partner with 4-6 given my QJT of clubs. I personally can't think of that many hands at all with 4-5 that I would overcall 2C when my clubs are at best AK9xx.

 

Anyways, as cherdano said partner is very unlikely to have a min 4-6 since the opps quit bidding! Missed this at the table. Oh well. Partner had Qx Kxxx xx AK9xx. 3C was the limit.

[nige1]

w/w imps you are 2nd seat. AJT9 x JTx QJTxx

P P 1D 2C

p 2D p 2H

p ?

What do you bid? If you bid 2S partner bids 3C, what do you over that? First time partnership but your partner is known as an aggressive player.

IMO

• Over partner's 2♥, I would have preferred 3♦ to 2♠.
  
• Now (after partner's 3♣) I would bid 3♠ rather than Pass.
  

That'll teach partner to be more careful about 2-level overcalls :)

[ceeb]

Cherdano's point about partner not having 6 clubs because of opponents' silence is educational for me, but very subtle in that I would find it hard to estimate how much the slight extra distribution would influence the probability of the opponents finding another bid. Comments?

 

A more simple-minded reason to suspect partner has only 5 clubs is that the six card suit is 6 times less likely to be dealt (though against that a six card overcall is much more likely to be acceptable without both top honors).

EDIT-- AKxxx is 4 times more frequent than AKxxxx and 2.8 times more frequent than AYxxxx where Y can be either K or x. Allowing for the pro-rate chance to lose a trick to the K when overcaller has Axxxxx, the relevant operational ratio is somewhere in between. Why do I bother with these calculations?

[gwnn]

Nowadays opps x your suits with a small stiff on almost any excuse (and I agree w them). I think it's a pretty strong argument tbh. Even if responder has shortness and is broke most of the time opener would have had a 1nt opener.