marcD Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Interesting thead. I play that rdbl shows spades so It would be my choice ; however, playing standard do not see what's wrong with rdbl (guess i would take my chance with dbl over 2♦). May this example just shows that the standard definition of redouble is pretty much useless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 1♠, because I don't want to have to cope with rdbl 2♦ pass pass I supose that this is not standard but I would easilly rebid 2♥ then, XX denies support for me. And would your partner convert 2♥ to 2♠ when he has four of them? If not, you've allowed RHO's intervention to talk you out of a 4-4 fit and into a 5-2 fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 yes he would, redouble denies support and shows at least 2* 4+ cards. When we bid 2♥ we are not having 4 diamonds so we must have 4 spades and 4 clubs (maybe 5) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesleyC Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I wouldn't consider anything other than 1S. I like my partners to open aggressively in 3rd Seat, especially at Favourable, so I don't punish them by redoubling on soft hands like this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y66 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Interesting thead. I play that rdbl shows spades so It would be my choice ; however, playing standard do not see what's wrong with rdbl (guess i would take my chance with dbl over 2♦). May this example just shows that the standard definition of redouble is pretty much uselessI learned to play that XX denies the ability to make a descriptive bid. Good discussion of the other school of thought here by Marshall Miles, including add'l discussion of some of the interesting points raised on this thread. If you try this link, scroll down to the discussion that starts on page 207 (7th one from the top for me). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 I agree with Gonzalo, XX and later 2 ♥ over an undoubled 2 ♦ from them will describe my hand perfectly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bid_em_up Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 whenever I bet w someone it's almost unanimous (sometimes I win sometimes I lose). it's awesome that yours is 8-8. Unless the bet was how bad pass and/or 1N are compared to choosing XX or 1S. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 1♠ is the obvious call. That is what you would have bid if RHO had not doubled. Don't let the double change anything. Redouble should show values and the inability to make any other descriptive call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 1♠ is the obvious call. That is what you would have bid if RHO had not doubled. Don't let the double change anything. Redouble should show values and the inability to make any other descriptive call.Yep. Maybe one of the reasons people double a 1-bid with 13 cards and 13 points(or fewer of each) is because it is so preemptive :D The opening side gets new tools to abuse and abandons its normal bid and rebid system. Playing Cappelletti over 1MX, 1S is the only natural bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 1♠ is the obvious call. That is what you would have bid if RHO had not doubled. Don't let the double change anything. Redouble should show values and the inability to make any other descriptive call. Yeah, if you want to play it that way. For me I prefer to play XX=this is our hand and any other bidding is non forcing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 1♠ with me (unless with Larry, then XX to show spades), and not even close. We have a clear bid with lead direction (let's say they play 2m XX, wouldn't you want a spade lead to pump a heart through?) You can always double back in to compete with this hand, and since we own the suit, let's bid it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Love redouble. I can lead and continue trumps (against 1♠) without fear of blowing a trick. I can't even do that from KQJ8, so the ♠T is really a key factor here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 That's easy too. With 6♥ partner would repeat them, with 15 HCP in her she'll double, but she could as well pass after which I'll reopen with a double, and instead of playing in our misfit doubled we'll play in opps' misfit doubled. Thats where you are erring. Why would partner bid again opposite a hand that has shown nothing? Why put your head in the noose for no reason. Good players do not bid their values twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=e&s=skqjth52dk65cj873]133|100|Scoring: IMPp (p) 1♥ (x) ?If you don't like the choices, just post it in a comment.[/hv]IMO XX = 10, _P = 6, 1♠ = 5, 1N = 4A queen more and you would have opened, so XX can't be too far wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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