jakob_r Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 [hv=d=w&v=n&s=sakqj2hkdaq52cj54]133|100|Scoring: MP(p)-p-(1♥)-x(1♠)-p-(p)-?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Isn't the 1♠ bid a classic psychic bid situation? A double again should expose it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcphee Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I am not pleased with a t/o dble and would much prefer to over call in S. Now you have a mess you are not sure how to deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Pass is a gamble, if we make 9 tricks in spades it will be +150 vs 140, but everything else its bad. partner seems to have 5 or 6 hearts with few or no values, what contract should we play? 1NT, that's what I am trying. If partner happens to raise we might think about swtiching back to spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFA Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I agree with Fluffy's 1NT. Passing could easily be right, but it's a big gamble that could lead to a quick 0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Agree with Gonzalo. I don't think double is psych-exposing. 3244 would be typical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I agree with the first double (too good for a 1♠ overcall) and I would double now also. This is a penalty double by definition, not a takeout double with 3244 or the like. And when LHO [EDIT] runs, it will be clear that he was psyching. You cannot sit there and let the opps get away with a blatant psyche. 1NT might work, but it could easily result in your missing your best spot - spades. If RHO runs to 2♥, I bid 2♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 If double could be taken as penalty I'd double. If not 1NT seems pretty fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I agree with the first double (too good for a 1♠ overcall) and I would double now also. This is a penalty double by definition, not a takeout double with 3244 or the like. And when RHO runs, it will be clear that he was psyching. You cannot sit there and let the opps get away with a blatant psyche. 1NT might work, but it could easily result in your missing your best spot - spades. If RHO runs to 2♥, I bid 2♠.And all this alleged psyche exposing, and questionable follow-up because your singleton heart was an honor instead of an X. Too late to go back and overcall 1S, and whether the psyche is exposed or not, partner will not figure out your pattern or strength. By the way, I think you meant LHO, not RHO, might have psyched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I agree with the first double (too good for a 1♠ overcall) and I would double now also. This is a penalty double by definition, not a takeout double with 3244 or the like. And when RHO runs, it will be clear that he was psyching. You cannot sit there and let the opps get away with a blatant psyche. 1NT might work, but it could easily result in your missing your best spot - spades. If RHO runs to 2♥, I bid 2♠.And all this alleged psyche exposing, and questionable follow-up because your singleton heart was an honor instead of an X. Too late to go back and overcall 1S, and whether the psyche is exposed or not, partner will not figure out your pattern or strength. By the way, I think you meant LHO, not RHO, might have psyched. A K is better than an x! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apollo81 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 2♠. I don't understand what the problem is. Clearly LHO psyched, and clearly this shows a strong hand with spades (since we would cuebid 2♥, double, bid NT, or bid a minor with other hands). Even if he has spades, do I really care? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Double, penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 2♠ natural for me. Just sticking to the plan of Double then bid ♠. Dbl would for me be another take-out (3145 sounds typical). Even if it were penalty, you are just complicating the auction for us and exposing the psyche. What would you bid after 4♥ p p after the Dbl? Now bid 4♠? Better bid ♠ right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtvesuvius Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 1NT, I think double is still takeout here, and this is a standard psych spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigel_k Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 2♠. Showing a hand too good to overcall 1♠. Double does not expose the psyche clearly enough to enable partner to jump in spades with a weak suit and 2♠ is a more accurate description of my strength and spade suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 what's wrong with 2♠? Even if LHO didn't psych and partner drives to 4♠ on two small or something (which he will only rarely do), we will likely make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 2♠ I intended to double and bid spades a round earlier and they have not pre-empted high enough to prevent that plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I like 2S. I doubt whether partner would take a double as penalties, especially if lho has the balls to pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakob_r Posted August 10, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 [hv=n=st973hjt542d8cakq&w=s54h83dkj7643c973&e=sakqj2hkdaq52cj54&s=s86haq976dt9ct862]399|300|[/hv] Here's the full hand. At the table, E passed and the contract went down 4. This resulted in a flat board since E at the other table played in 1♠and made +4 on a dia lead. Btw, for EW another dbl by E would not be penalty. The meaning of a 2♠ bid by E was undiscussed between them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlall Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Partner forgot to bid 2D??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Btw, for EW another dbl by E would not be penalty. The meaning of a 2♠ bid by E was undiscussed between them. This is quite a hole in the agreements of the EW pair. If the double is not for penalties, then 2♠ must be natural. If 2♠ is not natural, then double must be for penalties. EDIT: By the way, regardless of the vulnerability, par on this hand is 4♠x down 1, as NS is cold for 10 tricks in hearts and always has 4 defensive tricks against spade or diamond contracts by EW. But I would not be surprised to find NS going to 5♥ over 4♠ or 5♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimG Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Btw, for EW another dbl by E would not be penalty. The meaning of a 2♠ bid by E was undiscussed between them. This is quite a hole in the agreements of the EW pair. If the double is not for penalties, then 2♠ must be natural. If 2♠ is not natural, then double must be for penalties. Perhaps it is a hole in their agreements, but I imagine that they have lots of company in not having discussed the sequence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Btw, for EW another dbl by E would not be penalty. The meaning of a 2♠ bid by E was undiscussed between them. This is quite a hole in the agreements of the EW pair. If the double is not for penalties, then 2♠ must be natural. If 2♠ is not natural, then double must be for penalties. Perhaps it is a hole in their agreements, but I imagine that they have lots of company in not having discussed the sequence. Personally, I don't understand why. After a takeout double of 1♥, a subsequent double of 1♠ is a penalty double absent a specific agreement to the contrary. At least, that is the way it has been for about 80 years. Today, double never seems to mean double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Partner forgot to bid 2D??? REPEAT!!!... PARTNER FORGOT TO BID 2♦!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Btw, for EW another dbl by E would not be penalty. The meaning of a 2♠ bid by E was undiscussed between them. This is quite a hole in the agreements of the EW pair. If the double is not for penalties, then 2♠ must be natural. If 2♠ is not natural, then double must be for penalties. Perhaps it is a hole in their agreements, but I imagine that they have lots of company in not having discussed the sequence. Well, double is a little ambiguous (between penalty and strong balanced), but 2♠ is natural, you don't need to have discussed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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