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assuming a 15-17 NT I am not running. With a weak NT I will bid or get partner to bid 2

Ditto.

 

I am not worried about clubs. There are only 13 of them in the deck and we have at least 3, probably more.

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Given that Wayne teaches in the 'Acol Player's Club' I'm pretty sure partner has a 12-14 NT.

 

At MPs, Pass. 1NTx might make, otherwise I might get to balanced with a t/o double over 2C which could be penalty passed or get us to a higher scoring part score.

 

At IMPs, i'll go safe with 2D.

 

<edit: didn't see that the setting was MPs>

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I'd pass.

 

I'm a bit nervous about clubs but I'm also worried about playing the wrong partscore since it could easily be our hand. 2 by LHO, pass, pass, double for takeout would be nice and is quite possible. If I could pull and show diamonds and hearts that might be an option though.

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There's another way to look at this problem. If we had Q53 A9854 8764 Q and it went

  pass pass 1NT(12-14) pass

the whole world would transfer, because 2 is more likely to make than 1NT.

 

With the originally-posted hand, RHO's double has given us the chance to sign off in 2 . There is nothing about the auction to make us change our opinion that playing in the five-card suit is more likely to lead to a plus score than playing in 1NT.

 

The only reason I can see for sitting 1NTx is that you think +90 in 2 won't score well, so you feel obliged to try for +180 in 1NTx. However, at tables where they play a strong notrump, it will probably have gone

  pass pass 1x 1NT

  pass pass pass

If that goes one down, it's only worth +50, so +90 is likely to score well.

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Wow I'd never sit. Anyone who does has never played a weak NT before.

 

Usually in my methods I can show a 2 places to play or just 1. It's not totally clear to me what would be best here, but anything is better than sitting.

 

ATT I'd show only diamonds, but I'm leaving open a sliver of room for someone to tell me that a 2-suited bid is better.

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If I have a way for partner to choose between diamonds and hearts, why wouldn't we do that?

Oh, I dunno. Maybe it's because when partner is 3-2, they will always choose 2H and we are probably better off playing in 2. Likewise when he is 3-3 in the reds, he will choose 2H and we should still (probably) be in 2D.

 

It seems to me that offering a choice of red suits only gains when partner has 4 hearts and fewer than 3 diamonds. This target is too small for me, especially after 1N has already been doubled for penalties. I want to escape to the fit that is least likely to be doubled, and that is going to be diamonds the majority of the time. This doesn't even factor in that by concealing the heart suit the opponents may balance in 2H. ;)

 

No?

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There's another way to look at this problem. If we had Q53 A9854 8764 Q and it went

  pass pass 1NT(12-14) pass

the whole world would transfer, because 2 is more likely to make than 1NT.

The whole world would transfer because 1NT doesn't score 180 on that auction.

 

To the people who are worried about 2-3 in the red suits, that is just one holding. Showing the red suits without specifying length will gain on many others. It's a game of percentages.

 

Finally, RHO has to guess too. He could have good clubs but will often just have a collection of high cards. Given we have at least half the HCP plus the advantage of declaring we are a favourite to make. Plus there is no guarantee of avoiding -200 if we pull. Plus if we pass and they pull to 2 we are now much better placed than if we tried to show suits without their help.

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Given we have at least half the HCP plus the advantage of declaring we are a favourite to make.

lol

 

then why don't you redouble!!!! (please read the whole post for several examples)

 

p.s. funny that both these threads were started by Wayne. Wayne, what's the deal?! :wacko:

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One of the reasons we use RDBL as part of our escape mechanism when 1NT is penalty DBLd is having been bitten once by redoubling on a strong but unbalanced hand. After that, we came up with a system for handling hands like that after 1NT-DBL. Chip & Lew still play it, but I have given it up as too much of a memory strain :P. It involves transfers from 2NT through 3, with the transfer bids showing either a weak hand with the next suit or a good hand without it. So, for instance, 1NT-DBL-2NT is either a weak hand with clubs or a strong hand with diamonds + a Major (shown by 3 after opener's 3), or a strong hand with both Majors (after 3 by opener, 3 is less strong than 3), or a strong 4441 or (544)0 (shown by 3NT after opener's 3). The other two transfers are similar.

 

As for the actual hand, I asked Chip what he thought, and he said he would bid 2 over the DBL, showing diamonds and a higher suit. He said that he did that not because he was convinced that 1NT would go down, but that because if he didn't bid now and the opponents ran, he would have no way of showing a 2-suited hand, and if he did compete, partner would expect more values (our Pass of 1NT-DBLD is to play, sometimes because we think we'll make it, sometimes because we have no place to go).

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Given we have at least half the HCP plus the advantage of declaring we are a favourite to make.

lol

 

then why don't you redouble!!!! (please read the whole post for several examples)

 

p.s. funny that both these threads were started by Wayne. Wayne, what's the deal?! :P

I am not 100% sure what you are asking.

 

Do you want to know the whole deal?

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