Jlall Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I had never heard of this concept of rebidding 2N with all wk NTs regardless of stopper. Seems to have merit though, thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I would rebid 2♦ with the weak NT hands, even on 3 cards, but that its just me I guess. Would like to be able to rebid 2NT with weak NT hands on 1♣-(1♠)-2♥ hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 I'm in the stop-ask camp.3H! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryallen Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 2♠ should show extras That probably isn't playable, unless you also play that 1D-1H-2C-P2D could be on 4 (and is the catch-all rebid for opener when he can't rebid 2N). A better approach is to rebid 2NT on all weak notrumps that don't have five diamonds or club support. Then 2♦ can promise five, 2♠ can promise shape and extras, and 3♣ can promise real support. The downside is that sometime we reach 2NT without a heart stop, but when they haven't raised hearts that's a fairly rare occurrence. In any case, I don't see how it helps to be able to rebid 2♠ on a 4342 13-count. If responder doesn't have six clubs, doesn't have enough for game, and doesn't have a heart stop, what is he supposed to bid? Whatever he does, I don't see why that should be better than being in 2NT from opener's side. I would not play 2♣ in that sequence as GF. As such, you then have the additional bid of PASS as part of your descriptive responses? I am curious for anyone bidding 3♥ over the original sequence as to how they differentiate between a partial and full stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 2♠ should show extras That probably isn't playable, unless you also play that 1D-1H-2C-P2D could be on 4 (and is the catch-all rebid for opener when he can't rebid 2N). A better approach is to rebid 2NT on all weak notrumps that don't have five diamonds or club support. Then 2♦ can promise five, 2♠ can promise shape and extras, and 3♣ can promise real support. The downside is that sometime we reach 2NT without a heart stop, but when they haven't raised hearts that's a fairly rare occurrence. In any case, I don't see how it helps to be able to rebid 2♠ on a 4342 13-count. If responder doesn't have six clubs, doesn't have enough for game, and doesn't have a heart stop, what is he supposed to bid? Whatever he does, I don't see why that should be better than being in 2NT from opener's side. I would not play 2♣ in that sequence as GF. As such, you then have the additional bid of PASS as part of your descriptive responses? I am curious for anyone bidding 3♥ over the original sequence as to how they differentiate between a partial and full stop? simple; no agreement=full stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakob_r Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 i'm with gnasher. allowing opener to rebid 2NT with all weak hands with or without a stopper makes a lot more sense than the virtually useless 2S rebid not promising extras. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordontd Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't see how it helps to be able to rebid 2♠ on a 4342 13-count without a stop in the enemy suit, opener would like to avoid the 2N rebid. Well, you still have a problem with 3442 with four small hearts unless you can bid 2NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rd6789 Posted August 9, 2009 Report Share Posted August 9, 2009 i'm with gnasher. allowing opener to rebid 2NT with all weak hands with or without a stopper makes a lot more sense than the virtually useless 2S rebid not promising extras. great if you awant to get to 3nt with them cashing the first 5 or 6 heart tricks - they told you they had hearts and you ignored them - with akqjx of hearts I expect I'll find the lead. why not 3♣ - minimum no heart stop nothing else to bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Playing the style where 2NT doesn't promise a heart stop, responder can bid 3♥ over 2NT to ask for one. What you lose by this style is- Sometimes playing 2NT without a heart stop- Not being able to bid ...2NT-3♥ to show whatever it normally shows. Is that really so bad that you prefer to have to bid 3♣ on both a 4342 shape and a 3154 shape? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdanno Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Playing the style where 2NT doesn't promise a heart stop, responder can bid 3♥ over 2NT to ask for one. What you lose by this style is- Sometimes playing 2NT without a heart stop- Not being able to bid ...2NT-3♥ to show whatever it normally shows. Is that really so bad that you prefer to have to bid 3♣ on both a 4342 shape and a 3154 shape? I already have a bid for 3154 bid, 3♥!Having said that, I really like the idea of bidding 2N with many weak NTs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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