MickyB Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 How do you play 2NT on the above auction? Most seem to play lebensohl. That seems pretty redundant to me. Firstly, I'm often bidding for the lead, so not being able to show my suit immediately isn't very useful. Secondly, if I've got a weak hand, but it's right for us to compete, it will usually mean partner is strong - in which case, he will usually double again. It feels like there must be something better. How about, over 1♠-X-2♠ - 2NT = ♦ - now 3♣ is a range enquiry3♣ = natural3♦ = ♥, decent hand3♥ = ♥, poor handAnd, if you feel you can double on all other hands, 3♠ could be played as strong with clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Natural. Have you seen what they raise on these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Something similar was talked about a few months ago: http://forums.bridgebase.com/index.php?showtopic=23632&hl= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I rather like: X = two places to play, including 4♥ and a 4+ minor2NT = both minorselse = natural While it's true that people raise on pretty bad hands these days, usually if partner has enough for 3NT opposite an invite he will double again (and you can bid 3NT or pass), and 2NT is not such a profitable partial that we really need to reach it all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Natural. Have you seen what they raise on these days. I, for one, raise to 2M after a double with 0-5 HCP and three cards in the major, so 2NT makes perfect sense to be natural. Double from advancer shows both minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I prefer to play double as exactly four of the other major, 2NT as both minors, and the other major as five cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mich-b Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Natural. Have you seen what they raise on these days.Agree, though natural bids seem to be out of fashion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Callous contemporaries! Abandoning natural 2NT bids in competition! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 X = responsive (two-places or INV in hearts)2NT = SO in clubs or INV in diamonds3C = INV in clubs3D = SO in diamonds3H = SO in hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Scrambling. In my experience it rarely pays to play 2NT and contract for exactly 8 tricks once opps have bid and raised. It rarely pays to contract for exxactly 8 tricks anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Scrambling. In my experience it rarely pays to play 2NT and contract for exactly 8 tricks once opps have bid and raised. It rarely pays to contract for exxactly 8 tricks anyway! 2NT is not so much an offer to play for eight tricks as an offer to play for nine tricks if partner has just a little extra. You would like a pair that I played against recently. When I asked about their 2NT bid on a certain auction they were not sure but said it couldn't be natural because "2NT was not a contract it was a convention" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Scrambling. In my experience it rarely pays to play 2NT and contract for exactly 8 tricks once opps have bid and raised. It rarely pays to contract for exxactly 8 tricks anyway! 2NT is not so much an offer to play for eight tricks as an offer to play for nine tricks if partner has just a little extra. You would like a pair that I played against recently. When I asked about their 2NT bid on a certain auction they were not sure but said it couldn't be natural because "2NT was not a contract it was a convention" roflmaoWell I must admit, Wayne, I hate playing 2NT, so much so that i bid 3 over any invite on virtually any excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OleBerg Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I prefer to play double as exactly four of the other major, 2NT as both minors, and the other major as five cards.Me too. Love to be able to double freely with only three in the other major. (Might bid 2♠ on a hand well suited to a 4-3 thrumph-suit, and no other possible denominations.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I have always played lebenshol and double as take out (2 places to play or very strong). So far I haven't seen the positive rsponses of 3m except once when the opponents psyched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Our meta agreements is transfer lebensohl anytime game is possible, otherwise 2Nt is scrambling. So if partner isnt a passed hand. (1S)----X-----(2S)------??? X = semi-penality 2Nt = clubs or many inv3C = Diamonds GF or to play3D = H GF or to compete3H = stayman GF3S = clubs GF3Nt = to play. We also play leaping michael type bids Playing plain lebensohl is a rather weak treatment because they will often bid 3S. Im willing to play something different if im pretty sure the opponents have the goods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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