kgr Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sakq43hjt873d76c8]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]You play some kind of standard american, not 2/1:1♠-(2♣)-2♦-(3♣)Pass-(Pass)-3♦-(Pass)??2♦=forcing3♦=non-forcingDo you agree with opening this hand 1♠ and passing the 2nd round. Do you pass 3♦ or bid 3♥ to show your ♥'s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 1. I would not open this hand playing 2/1 GF2. I agree with passing over 3♣ the previous round3. I am happy to pass 3♦ this round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
se12sam Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I would not open this hand normally Passing 3♦ now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 1. I would not open this hand playing 2/1 GF See OP. Not 2/1..you open then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 1. I would not open this hand playing 2/1 GF See OP. Not 2/1..you open then? I would probably still pass; however, opening is a bit more tempting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I would open this hand. There was no discussion, what would a double of 3♣ by partner have been in this method? I am not ashamed of opening, nor am I afraid of bidding now because I have "overbid". I have a reasonable opening hand and game is still possible. Thus, I would certainly willing to bid 3♥ now IF this was IMPS, I would do so. This is matchpoints, however, so I will pass and hope that a plus score is good enough rather than bidding 3♥ to get at a possible, but on the minimum 3♦ rebid unlikley game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 If partner cannot back in with a double, I see no reason to do anything but pass the non-forcing 3D bid. The disparity between the suits adds another reason to open the bidding in my best suit rather than pass and try to show a 2-suiter later. I agree with the pass of 3C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 I think I like 1♠ and 3♥. I just can't see how defending 3♣ will be a good pairs score. I have a singleton, I will rather play in a dubious game than defend 3♣.I agree with Ben though that at pairs pass is more desirable than IMPs. If you passed 3♣, pass is clear now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pooltuna Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 np on auction but after a nonforcing 3♦ it is time to bail out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 There was no discussion, what would a double of 3♣ by partner have been in this method? DBL of 3♣ would have been take-out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONEferBRID Posted August 2, 2009 Report Share Posted August 2, 2009 "Do you agree with opening this hand 1♠ ...? " Rule-of 20 advocates would say yes andZAR pointers would say yes: Briefly ZAR points is:i) HCPs (usual 4321) plusii) honor HCP (2 for each A and 1 for each K) plusiii) "shape" points (length of 2 longest suits+ (length of longest suit - length of shortest suit)) (that is it takes into account both extra points for A and K and shape) If 26 or more then open. ♠ AKQ43 ♥ JT873 ♦ 76 ♣ 8 HCP = 10honor HCP = 3shape points = 5 + 5 + 5 - 1 = 14 _____ ZAR points = 27Just enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 One of the easiest openings ever. You have 5-5 majors, all values in both suits and it's NV. I would have bid 3♥ over 3♣ to bid out my shape - my philosophy is to not be so pedantic about showing full blown values in competitive auctions. Shape is key, especially when it's 5-5 majors. As the fallback, at least we have ♦xx if partner insists on more diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 If I open this hand then after partner makes a 2/1 response I automatically rebid 3♥ in competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 If I open this hand then after partner makes a 2/1 response I automatically rebid 3♥ in competition. rebid 3h...I do not think this is easy......far from easy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ochinko Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I open 1♠ and I bid 3♥ over 3♣. I guess I misclicked when I passed, so now I pass again. At least I am sure we have a ♦ fit. My partner wouldn't rebid a 5 cards suit, and at level 3 it should be solid too, yet 5♦ would be quite a stretch even for me. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgr Posted August 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 [hv=n=s65h542dak9542cqj&w=s92ha96dq83cakt62&e=sjt87hkqdjtc97543&s=sakq43hjt873d76c8]399|300|[/hv]1♠-(2♣)-2♦-(3♣)Pass-(Pass)-3♦-All Passs 3♥ would have been better then 3♦ (but I think you can only stop in 3♥ if you first pass over 3♣) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 Hi, #1 1S is fine, you could have a worse hand#2 pass over 3C is fine, at one point in time you should tell p, that you have a min, 3H would be gf#3 pass it out With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 3♥ would have been better then 3♦ (but I think you can only stop in 3♥ if you first pass over 3♣) The reality is that I am not going to cater my methods to stopping in a part-score when I open the bidding and partner makes a strength showing 2/1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I don't think the hand is worth 2D with the stiff QJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I don't think the hand is worth 2D with the stiff QJ. Agree.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 After opening 1♠ (which is not automatic but is not objectionable), it is clear to pass over 3♣ and again over 3♦. If I bid 3♥ now, I doubt that I will be able to play it there. By the way, it is far from clear that 3♦ is going down. The opps are going to have to untangle the heart suit before they give up the lead (although there are some problems for declarer after a club lead and a trump shift). I don't have any problem with partner's 2♦ bid. A two level bid in competition is not the same as a 2 over 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I don't have any problem with partner's 2♦ bid. A two level bid in competition is not the same as a 2 over 1. I don't think that ben or i intimated this to be the case. The hand is still not good enough for 2D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I would bid 2♦ over 2♣. I think getting your (decent) suit involved in competitive auctions are crucial. But of course I plan on rebidding 3♦ if I get the chance next which would be NF for me. And no, I don't intend the 2♦ as a NFB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 [hv=n=s65h542dak9542cqj&w=s92ha96dq83cakt62&e=sjt87hkqdjtc97543&s=sakq43hjt873d76c8]399|300|[/hv]1♠-(2♣)-2♦-(3♣)Pass-(Pass)-3♦-All Passs 3♥ would have been better then 3♦ (but I think you can only stop in 3♥ if you first pass over 3♣) By the way, 3H will never make against reasonable defenders.Lose 4H and a Cor 3H 1S and a C. Andy, your comment means that I guess you would bid 3D on AK to 6 and out? The C hons are waste paper of course. Gutsy bid to force on that tripe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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